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At this point it doesn't seem worth fighting over the minutiae of the episode. Seems like most people have acknowledged the episode is fairly cheesy in places, with various justifications. One camp feels like it breaks the episode and it really doesn't bother the other camp, therefore there seems little chance of one side convincing the other on these issues.
Unfortunately the only people who checked out and didn't want to do the work were the most important people for the final outcome of the show.
Better writing and direction >>>> Costumes, sets, special and practical effects.rkcrawf said:I enjoyed this documentary. It acknowledged the hard work the cast and esp the crew put in w/o seeming like self-congratulations. While the writing was rushed, I hope this dispels the idea that people checked out or were lazy.
I also got got the impression, @JTKIII, that the original ending was Jon stabbing Dany. I wonder if the rest was tacked on after, which is why it felt rushed.
I doubt the show would have generated nearly the audience and critical acclaim it had had it started off with the quality of the last few seasons. Disappointing people is a tough thing, the D&D’s cut short the end on purpose. I don’t know why they apparently don’t have the sense of ownership for Game of Thrones that the Villigang have for the Breaking Bad world. I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think you could’ve found people to do the last few seasons better.
Dividing the blame between GRRM and he D&Ds is purely academic. It’s the end product that matters.
Have you considered the idea that the fandom is actually honest? That there’s actually a significant quality drop off that people are legitimately complaining about? Look at Mr. Robot for example, the 2nd season was crapped on but I’m pretty sure the overwhelming majority of fans have climbed back on board after Season 3. The opposite has been happening with GoTMthomp32 said:A ron sounds so sad/angry in this final episode. I genuinely feel bummed listening to it.
I’ve noticed those who are really invested in the series (a lot of podcasters and journalists who comment and critique on the show) are totally outside of themselves. Everyone I’ve spoken to about this season (IRL) loves it and felt the conclusion was pretty fitting given that there is absolutely zero source material - meaning the story is inevitably less complex and truncated. But those people don’t geek out as much as me and listen to podcasts etc. I think the a rons and Dave Chen’s and Mallory rubins of the world have lost sight of two things:
1) it’s not you’re show. Might sound harsh but this show doesn’t belong to the fans. All of the creative decisions that you’re all lambasting were made with the intention to create the best thing they could (Also *they have no books*). Every critique I’ve heard is essentially around how said commentator would have set it up better...than the creators...as Sophie turner said in her ET interview this week: that is disrespectful (and honestly kind of delusional).
2) you - the thought leaders in this community - have an outsized impact on the general conversation online. So it’s a bit of a viscous cycle. Joanna Robinson writes 6 articles that come out 30 seconds after the show ends about how the show runners fucked up and then records 3 podcasts about how everyone thinks they fucked up? That’s a bit crazy making as a listened.
Ultimately, it used to be really fun to hear you all dissect and critique the show (talk about what you liked and didn’t like) but it’s become suuuuper depressing since the show ran past the books.
I want to state that this ending is pretty gorgeous IMO and the breaks in logic and storytelling are easy to forgive for me because (as George stated last week) the creators are missing approximately 3,000 pages of story.
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