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Just a reminder...Some people here have shared some intensely personal things and others have said/suggested that they've gone through similar experiences and major reason why more haven't come forward is because of this whole issue of not being believed, people demanding evidence of you etc.So while some of you are having a detached academic/legal debate please keep in mind for others here this isn't removed from their own personal experience. We can accept that the legal system has established thresholds for evidence but this isn't a courtroom, no one is being criminally charged and we aren't a jury. While you probably don't mean to, by focusing on the litigious side of things you're contributing to the type of environment that allows these types crimes to keep happening.If someone comes to you and tells you that they have lung cancer, don't be the a-hole that responds with "well, you could have quit smoking and you didn't". Be the decent person who offers empathy and understanding.
So...this is what happened.and 2 others.
We got to chatting as he was working and I was getting along pretty well with him, we were laughing and joking around. After I while I felt pretty comfortable asking him and I said, "Listen, there's something I want to ask you..." and he cut me off and said "About the pizza, right?"
He said that he saw it on the counter and thought that it had been left there for him since he was working at dinner time - I left for work at 4:30pm...my gf came home at 7pm and he was gone, so he did his work sometime between 4:30-7:00. He told me that he ate a slice, then noticed the note that I'd left for my gf after he'd eaten it and didn't know what to do. He said that he regretted not leaving a note of his own and spent the whole night worrying that he'd get fired. His plan was to come and do the work today (he wasn't expecting me to be home) and order a pizza and leave it for us with a note explaining what happened. He seemed sincere, and I believed him. I told him that we didn't care about the pizza, we were just worried that other things might have gone missing...when I said that he went pale and told me that it didn't even occur to him. In criminology we call that an absence of mens rea - he was looking at the situation the way an innocent person would and lacked a guilty mind.
It turn out well!
Looks like my plans have changed, so here's my story....I used to work for a band in the 90's as a roadie, we toured all over the place from about '94 to the early 2000's. This story happened at a music festival around '96 or '97, but I totally forget where "down South" somewhere. We'd been on the road for weeks, playing a lot of shows & festivals and were a bit home sick but a Canadian band who we knew (The Watchmen) were playing this festival too so we were looking forward to touching base with some familiar people.We'd played a lot of shows with a lot of bad bands, but the other bands on this festival were all great (Urge Overkill, Redd Cross, Superdrag, Nada Surf among others) and we had a few days off before our next show so the plan was to make a party out of this show. The band I worked for was opening for everyone, so the idea was get in, get set up, get their set out of the way and then drink our faces off for the rest of the day.And so we did...and just a few hours in, we'd drank all of the beer that was on our rider and rather than pay festival prices for beer at the concession stands, we went looking for more free beer backstage. I ran into one of the guys from The Watchmen and asked him if they had any beer. He told me that they were getting right back on the road after their set so as long as I left them a few beers I could take the rest of their beer. He pointed me to their tent and said "It's in there".So, I went over to their tent, walked in, saw a bunch of people who i didn't recognize but I spotted a few dozen beer sitting on table in a giant plastic bin filled with ice. I went over, pulled a few out and put them on the table so The Watchmen guys would have a few to drink when they got off stage and then just picked up the bin and walked off with the rest of the beer and brought it back to our tent.For the next few hours, we drank that beer as we watched the other bands, every so often dipping back into our tent to grab one. 3-4 hours later, the guy from The Watchmen who gave me the beer came into our tent to say good-bye, they were leaving to get back on the road. At one point, he turned to me and said "If you want our beer, you'd better come and get it." I told him that I already did, and he was like "No you didn't, it's still in our tent."It turns out that he either pointed to the wrong tent, or I misread where he was pointing to and I brazenly walked into Superdrag's tent and stole all of their beer! None of them said anything to me, they were probably flabbergasted!At this point, I guess that I could have given them The Watchmen's beer...but I didn't, we drank that too.
I feel like the only person who didn't really care for 'Crocodile'. It was beautifully shot, but I felt it was just dark for darkness sake - not really rooted in social commentary as much as other episodes. Also, the beginning really reminded me of I Know What You Did Last Summer.
A crocodile is a danger that waits beneath the surface, the danger that it represents isn't immediately obvious. That's what the episode is saying about technology. The machine that was originally used exclusively by the police gained more wide spread social acceptance and was now being used for more mundane things like insurance investigations - it points to that privacy creep that we're all experiencing with Facebook selling our information, agencies like the NSA becoming more invasive etc. and how we've just accepted it. We see that in the scene where the insurance agent is sent to interview the dentist - he has thoughts/experiences that he doesn't want to share with a stranger ("to be honest, the memory is a bit embarrassing...do you have to use that thing?") but knows that there will be legal ramifications for him if he doesn't. Technology meant to help the police was now being used for something unintended and the consequence was this old guy - who would have known life in a time before the technology was around - having to admit homosexual desires to a stranger who was much younger - and probably has only known life when this tech was apart of life, or was young enough to embrace it without question.
To the main story, it's this helpful bit of technology that necessitates the murders. She's an architect, she meticulously plans things for a living - she thinks of everything (except, in true Black Mirror fashion, the hamster). She got away with the first murder because she covered it up, she likely would have gotten away with the second murder because she covered it up. Once the insurance agent shows up for something totally unrelated to the murders, the tech that is meant to be helpful becomes the reason why the insurance lady is murdered (and her husband and their kid). She gives herself an embarrassing memory by watching the porno, but as we saw with the dentist that doesn't matter - there is no privacy in a world where we accept memory-reading technology. Its the unintended consequences of the technology, the danger that lies beneath the surface...how privacy creep can become deadly.
It's already a long post, but the metaphor of the crocodile is carried out in a more obvious way too...the original body dumped into the lake is a crocodile - it's something literally beneath the surface that can hurt her (if discovered). She dumps the body of her ex beneath the new development that she designed, the 'wonders of modern living' (or however she referred to it in her presentation) literally built on a tragedy, another danger that lies below. Then the murderer herself becomes a crocodile, when the insurance agent travels off into the country side to interview an architect about a guy who got hit by a car she has no idea what danger is there waiting for her. And once the crocodile murders the insurance lady, her danger is no longer beneath the surface - she's exposed and becomes a predator hunting down the husband, and unexpectedly the child.
asmallcat said:Oh good, the calendars again
I've been a vegetarian for 25 years...unlike most of my kind I hate talking about it. I'm glad to see others talking about it though and showing a really good understanding of the issues surrounding meat consumption. Personal belief - one day (not soon!) I think people will look back on eating meat, or at least the factory farm industry, in a similar way that we look back on something like slavery...I'm not suggesting that they're equivalent, I just mean that we'll one day look back in shame in a similar way.