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  • U.S. Politics Vol. 7: A Dream of 2020

    I genuinely don't understand the Bernie hate. Seems a lot comes from "I don't like Bernie bros" rather than "I don't like Bernie's policies". Anyone care to explain?

    FWIW I think he'd have beaten Trump, but I also thought Hillary would have walked it so wtf do I know
    It's hard to know when someone writes something like this what they are referring to- But I will take a stab at it-

    I don't like Bernie Bros, but I don't think they are the whole of the Bernie supporter community. I know plenty of women and plenty of non-bro-y guys who liked Bernie in 2016 and still support him. I do think they dominated the discussion in certain scenarios, as bros are wont to do; I had some unpleasant experiences at the caucus with them. And I do think they injected an undercurrent of sexism into the discussion of Hillary that I doubt their candidate approved of. But I don't think they dominated the whole election by any means and there were plenty of other voices out there supporting Bernie Sanders.

    In 2016 I didn't support Bernie in the primaries, but I am glad he ran on the platform he did, I am glad he is out there talking his talk, and I am glad others are out there with it too. I would rather see another candidate in the general election because I think he's compromised. You can dig up a lot of stuff about him in the 80s where he was a bit too cozy with communist dictators and while Hillary's campaign didn't do all that much with that, you know Trump's wouldn't hesitate. He's also quite old, which is not nothing. And he's never really been a member of the Democratic party, and just uses the party machine to run for President when it suits him. I'm not a Democratic party loyalist by any means, but I also thought it was unfair in 2016 when people acted like the Democratic party was rigged against him... when he did actually quite well for someone who wasn't a party member at all. This is the system we have and it's certainly not Hillary Clinton's fault.

    When people say "he could have beat Trump" I just don't get the math on that. I guess the idea is that the primary system was somehow rigged against him or Hillary would not have beat him, but she beat him in fair elections- even without the superdelegates, she beat him. So I don't really get that argument and I think it's kind of irrational, honestly. And I know we like to say in hindsight that HRC was a compromised candidate, and in some ways she was, but she did actually win the popular vote and her defeat was not as crushing and embarrassing as DJT would love you to believe.

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  • Non-Political News Thread

    I thought that's how all rich kids get into college...
    CretanBulltom_gasmallcat
  • Just had a couple JW show up at my door.

    It's just really arrogant when someone half my age shows up on a bicycle, wearing a nametag and calling me "ma'am" and yet also thinks he has some new information that's going to inform my worldview.
    telephoneofmadnessFlukes
  • NBA 2018-2019 Thread

    CeciliaM said:
    Portland is not a real place

    cdrive