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Roseanne was not solely fired for this tweet, she had been making ABC quite uncomfortable for some time and this is what pushed them over the edge. She can’t successfully claim that it was a joke, or the Ambien talking, or whatever the next excuse is because of the context of who she is publically aside from this tweet. ABC probably should not have risked this project in the first place.and 4 others.
Our Cartoon President is satire, and it’s on Showtime.
Colbert’s late night show is satire. The man made his name with a nonstop satire of Bill O’Reilly
Southpark is satire with heart, all of the racism and xenophobia on that show demonstrates how ridiculous it is rather than glorifying it, and it’s on Comedy Central
Bill Maher is a bit nuts on some issues, but you know what you’re getting with him, and he’s on HBO, and he was fired by ABC
I don’t watch the View, but I presume they don’t put up with racist declarations on a regular basis
Michael Richards career was pretty much killed for stepping over the line on race
Kathy Griffin’s career went through a near-death experience for stepping over the line on Trump
To be clear: indulging in public racism is an entirely different thing that being insulting to DJT. It is not equivalent. Period. If the right chooses to take an attack on racism as an attack on the right, then they are just confirming many folks worst fears about what the right is becoming in this country.
If you’re not a racist, but many of the people you affiliate yourself with are racists and you find yourself defending racism because attacks on it are hurting your “side,” then you have some introspective thinking to do.
The dog whistles of Birtherism, attacks on Anthem Protests, All Lives Matter, etc. have been successful for the right, but if you go from dog whistle to bullhorn folks still draw a line.
Also, I’m constantly irritated by the use of the term panic. This is not panic. This is just some fear. If we use panic to describe what is happening then what do we call actual systemic/societal breakdown with violence, looting, arson, etc. Buying a few cases of toilet paper and 50lb bags of rice might be overreaction, but it’s not panic. When folks in large numbers refuse to wait in line, pay for that stuff, or take “we’re out of that” for an answer; that’s what panic is.
Teresa from Concord said:cdrive said:My brother-in-law and sister-in-law are in lock down. San Jose, CA. Santa Clara County. @Michelle @Chinaski you guys being ordered to shelter also?
My opinion but this has been handled very badly. We should have identified the group of citizens where this flu would be deadly, had them self-isolate, and then the other 98% of us protect their safety, free up medical care for them, and maintain the economy so when they don't get the flu the world they return to is the same.
Rough numbers obviously since this is a novel virus that we are still trying to understand. From what I’ve seen, and feel free to challenge these numbers, about 80% of people infected don’t have significant symptoms, mortality rate appears to be 1-2% though infection is underreported so call it 0.5%, safe to assume that 2-5% will require ICU level of care.
Undisputed facts worth remembering:- Healthy people in their 30s have died from this illness- People in their 90s and 100s have survived this illness
- Both of these are going be be statistical tails, but don’t act as if the tails don’t exist- This bad flu season exists in parallel with the COVID-19 pandemic
So if we don’t isolate and 1/3 of the US population contracts the virus over a relatively-short period of time:
- 20 million people have significant symptoms
- 2-5 million people require intensive care
- 500,000 - 2,000,000 fatalities
- Flu is already taxing the supply of ICU beds and ventilators
Lack of medical resources would push fatalities to the high end, or beyond, these assumptions and flu fatalities would spike in parallel as the same resources are required for severe flu cases. You also get a spike in mortality for COPD, asthma, and other diseases that require these resources for severe cases and exacerbations along with cancer and heart disease and all of the other common illnesses that can require intensive care on occasion.
Infections passed to healthcare workers are a whole other issue that could compound all of these.
This is not okay. Governors, mayors, school boards, etc. have been taking some drastic action based on good scientific advice and the federal government is finally catching up to the severity of the possible crisis.
If we do a good job with social distancing and flatten the curve so the demand on the healthcare system is spread out over time, then the spike in all-cause fatalities could be 5-10% of these numbers saving potentially over 1,000,000 lives.
If we end up with 25,000 - 50,000 excess all-cause fatalities from this we’ll be lucky and lots of folks will say we overreacted even though the overreaction is what saved the lives. That is not good, but it is much closer to okay.
Please support decision making based on the science, data, and math. Please remember that responsible government officials aren’t making the economy their first priority, and I don’t think we’d want to live in a society where they did.
The selective use of the jealous vengeful God of the Old Testament when convenient over the God of peace and forgiveness in the New Testament by some Christians is galling to me.
Some folks go all Leviticus over homosexuality, but they don’t want to discuss most of the other stuff in that particular book.
Wow, I leave for a few hours...
@JamieT I hope you’re okay, or even if you’re positive that this is the worst of your symptoms.
I’ve read about all kinds of non-standard symptom sets being positive for the virus with the only consistent thing being a fever.
Young people are going to die and old people are going to live, the bell curve peaks with old people that also have preexisting conditions, but there are tails to the curve that will include a healthy teenager dying from it and a 90 year old with emphysema living through it. Nobody is safe, and yet nobody has a death sentence either.
if you are more than 15yrs from retirement, don’t sell out of your stock positions (assuming they’re indexes or mutual funds) locking in the losses. If you have discovered that you can’t take recessionary downturns in the market, then change your future allocations. Don’t lock in losses unless you’re relatively close to retirement and need to have cash or conservative stuff to fund withdrawals in the relatively near future. Pull up a graph of the DOW or S&P 500 from 2009 to 2014 to see what you could miss out on in the market if you sell-out because of fear now rather than ride it out.
The mental health struggle is real. I am hearing from all kinds of people working from home by necessity that it’s really a cause of stress and anxiety, not even mentioning the news and potential media obsession. I’d recommend Governor Cuomo’s press briefings over the White House’s if you want to see sane leadership in a crisis.
We will get through this, but it’s going to be an off-and-on battle for the next 18mos or so. We’re going to have a recession, but we will recover. Look for the helpers, they’re all over the place from first responders and medical professionals, to grocery store checkers and truck drivers keeping the food supply working. There is a lot in this crisis that shows the best of humanity when you choose to see it.
Jim said:Giovanni said:Denmark's stimulus plan: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/denmark-freezing-its-economy-should-us/608533/
Basically, if a company keeps a worker on the payroll rather than lay them off, the government will pay 75% of their salary.
Based on GDP the same cost in the US would be 2.5 trillion dollars. Yet the US is proposing a 2 trillion dollar plan with a one time check of 1200 dollars for people. I don't even understand. The odds are so in favor of corporations in this country that it's laughable. I say this as someone who will not lose my job.
I'm so sorry for all the people who need help and the government failing them.
From what I can tell, money is only the incentive that gets people to do the things necessary to run our country. Right now we have another pretty strong incentive!
Tell me I'm crazy. I'm happy to hear that it wouldn't work if I can learn a little in the process.
Let me run down a few examples:
- You would have to freeze pay (nobody gets paid) because companies can’t meet payroll without access to the corporate paper markets.
- Farmers, miners, manufacturers, etc. would have to operate on trust because they buy and sell commodities on futures exchanges and all have outstanding contracts that would expire during that period (poor example: farmer sold their spring wheat crop to someone already, that someone is probably not the ultimate consumer of that crop and was planning to sell it later, shut down the market and you get a million tons of wheat delivered to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange while bread production grinds to a halt).
- International trade relies on currency markets and letters of credit, and practically everything has international aspects to its supply chain.
- Freeze financial markets and folks who rely on them for income/liquidity can’t buy food. Smallish number that doesn’t also draw social security, but not zero.It’s late and I’m drinking, but there are many other problems unless you freeze all money during that period across national borders and just go with everyone who can pitch in does without compensation, and everyone who needs something takes no more than they absolutely must without paying.
We’re all questioning recent illnesses right now, but based on the behavior of COVID-19 in China, SK, Europe, New York, etc. this virus has not been circulating in the US prior to February of this year.
I look forward to the antibody tests being broadly available, but if you were sick in the US before February this wasn’t it.
Not to just shoot stuff down. I think we could get through this by guaranteeing medical coverage and a universal basic income at the poverty line for every person/family until the employment market recovers to a reasonable level (like 6%-ish). Put it into law that it auto-renews until then so there is only one tough vote for congress to take.
You’re still going to see lots of income-rich/cash-poor folks go bankrupt (lots of people can live pay-check to pay-check making $200k/yr with houses, cars, boats, etc.). You’re going to have to pay for it with significant taxes later. It would guarantee a consistent base level of demand in the economy though.
I’m less a fan of locking people into their existing jobs. We need more people at Walmart, Amazon, Costco, grocery stores, etc. right now so don’t lock-in laid off waitresses and bartenders to their current places of employment. I don’t think the demand for restaurants, live sports, live music, live theater, movie theaters, cruises, etc., is going to be the same after this so don’t lock everyone in to those jobs. This pandemic is going to change to economy in unexpected ways, and we need a labor market that can adapt and is not frozen in time to the way things were before while also taking care of basic expenses and healthcare.
The GOP will never agree to this because they know people will like it want it never to end.