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The 2 episodes that Reply All just did on Compstat are really interesting. An innovative technique that appears to have been created out of the best possible motives that became subsumed to political needs and human nature. Also the guy who created Compstat should have a movie made about him, talk about eccentric.... Should be right up @A_Ron_Hubbard's alley.
That Atlantic article I cited actually speaks to your sentiment. The Washington Post polled and found out 9 out of 10 Native Americans aren't actually offended by the Redskins name. Which apparently replicated a 2004 poll finding.
"Among the Native Americans reached over a five-month period ending in April, more than 7 in 10 said they did not feel the word “Redskin” was disrespectful to Indians. An even higher number — 8 in 10 — said they would not be offended if a non-native called them that name."
Which struck me as odd, until I read that Atlantic article and they found
"that Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87 percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness."
Which is very consistent with the results of the Washington Post poll. So, who actually is getting offended at the team name, and why?Travis said:It's funny (well not "funny" funny, but... well you know), I've always seen "political correctness" as just basic "don't be a dick." You know who gets annoyed by "the oppression of political correctness?" Dicks! Just be cool and try not to step on people's feelings. I think that's a pretty reasonable standard for society, right? Also, it's not like people are being hauled off to jail for simply being assholes, so really it's just people fabricating outrage (or perhaps getting outraged) at the fact that people don't want to hang out with assholes who either just don't care about people's feelings or do so selectively (I suppose you can be sued for creating a hostile work environment and what not, but then you actually are stepping on the rights of others, and you like shouldn't do that and stuff). It's the exact same thing as the bogus "war on Christmas" and all of that nonsense. People just want to feel aggrieved about stuff so they whine on and on about how they used to have to care so much less about the impact of what they said on other people, and honestly that is probably just because the world of communication used to be smaller, or people weren't nearly as empowered as they are now to speak up so the world has become a bit more enlightened on the effects of what they say. In essence, you've always been a dick but you're just figuring it out now.
Carrying it to the famous example: I'm sorry that we all took it for granted for so long, but it's a dick move to call your football team The Redskins. Now, obviously they have exercised their right to do so but by doing so they invite controversy and public awareness that it's a dick thing to do. So they are left with a choice, carry that baggage or change the name. They totally control their destiny, but they can't have it both ways. Political correctness simply comes down to how you want the world to see you, and with the fast spread of information and ability for people to gather and spread messages it creates more intense pressure now. If you don't want people to call you out for being a jerk, don't be a jerk, man. I've never got what all of the fuss is about.
Sorry it that was a little over-caffeinated, but it's been a stressful and very caffeinated type of day. I feel good now though. Yeah!
Maybe overall, but not according to one of the quoted focus group participants.
" As one 40-year-old American Indian in Oklahoma said in his focus group, according to the report:
It seems like everyday you wake up something has changed … Do you say Jew? Or Jewish? Is it a black guy? African-American? … You are on your toes because you never know what to say. So political correctness in that sense is scary."CretanBull said:I think part of what shapes those types of surveys is the onslaught backlash against it. So if you ask "do you support political correctness?" they're reacting to a demonized term. If you asked them something like "do you think you should refer to a transgender woman as 'she'?" I bet most people who agree.
Quite a surprising article in the Atlantic about political correctness. From what I gather in the article, the focus group participants and subjects defined political correctness, and per this article they mostly seemed to define it as having to carefully parse their words in case of unknowingly offending people and thus facing social censure.
"According to the report, 25 percent of Americans are traditional or devoted conservatives, and their views are far outside the American mainstream. Some 8 percent of Americans are progressive activists, and their views are even less typical. By contrast, the two-thirds of Americans who don’t belong to either extreme constitute an “exhausted majority.” Their members “share a sense of fatigue with our polarized national conversation, a willingness to be flexible in their political viewpoints, and a lack of voice in the national conversation.”
Most members of the “exhausted majority,” and then some, dislike political correctness. Among the general population, a full 80 percent believe that “political correctness is a problem in our country.” Even young people are uncomfortable with it, including 74 percent ages 24 to 29, and 79 percent under age 24. On this particular issue, the woke are in a clear minority across all ages.
Youth isn’t a good proxy for support of political correctness—and it turns out race isn’t, either.
Whites are ever so slightly less likely than average to believe that political correctness is a problem in the country: 79 percent of them share this sentiment. Instead, it is Asians (82 percent), Hispanics (87percent), and American Indians (88 percent) who are most likely to oppose political correctness. "
"It is obvious that certain elements on the right mock instances in which political correctness goes awry in order to win the license to spew outright racial hatred. And it is understandable that, in the eyes of some progressives, this makes anybody who dares to criticize political correctness a witting tool of—or a useful idiot for—the right. But that’s not fair to the Americans who feel deeply alienated by woke culture. Indeed, while 80 percent of Americans believe that political correctness has become a problem in the country, even more, 82 percent, believe that hate speech is also a problem.
It turns out that while progressive activists tend to think that only hate speech is a problem, and devoted conservatives tend to think that only political correctness is a problem, a clear majority of all Americans holds a more nuanced point of view: They abhor racism. But they don’t think that the way we now practice political correctness represents a promising way to overcome racial injustice."