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Given that a) "You're driving away fans like me with your POLITICS (but I won't say which ones because they would make me look bad)" is one of the most tiresome, pointless complaints on the internet, and b) A.Ron literally created an entire other network where you can debate politics, making it utterly ridiculous for anyone to accuse him of silencing dissenting views, there was never any reason for anyone here to take the OP seriously or in good faith. Cracking some jokes about it is not bullying.
Don't get me wrong, I'll complain about stan culture and parasocial relationships and fandoms attacking people who criticize their faves all day, because I feel very strongly that those things are some of the biggest contributors to the noxious hellscape that modern internet and social media discourse has become. And this forum is just as susceptible to those flaws as any community of the same size, which is something we should be mindful of! But this isn't that - I don't think turning this specific incident into a referendum on the Bald Move community really makes any sense.
Hunkulese said:The toxic people are just the loudest. What about all the non-toxic people? There are far, far more of them. Should all decisions only consider the toxic parts of communities?
The best way to deal with toxic people is to ignore them. They shouldn't factor into decision making at all. Most of them are just looking for a negative response anyway. Something positive happening like the Snyder Cut actually coming out isn't actually their goal. They're still going to be toxic everywhere else.
Except the real problem is that what they're doing isn't the worst way to go about it, if you don't account for morality at all. In fact, it's the most effective way to go about it. The toxic groups, even if they're an extreme minority, play far more of a role than you'd think in bringing movements like these to prominence. Social media itself is set up in such a way as to push the toxic voices to the front. They are what websites will report on when talking about the movement, which will result in an inevitable backlash, and then a backlash to the backlash, and so on, bringing more and more notoriety and attention to the original movement.
(The worst part of this cycle? There no good way to break it, since suggesting the alternative - where we "just ignore them", and no one writes articles or Tweets or whatever calling these people out - is more or less telling the targets of their harassment that they should just shut up and take it. As you yourself have said, there's no permanent fix for this problem without completely restructuring the way social media works.)
So in terms of movements like this actually succeeding, you can't write off toxic groups as an insignificant minority. They play an important role, maybe the most important role. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that if you wanted the Snyder cut and are happy you're getting it, you are actively benefiting from the work those people did, whether you like it or not.
Hunkulese said:Toxic groups in fandoms aren't whining and shouting to get what they want, they're whining and shouting because they're toxic. There's really not a whole lot anyone can do about them without radical changes to how social media works.
rhcoop said:RyanReeseman said:I can’t tell you how hyped I am for all these people to finally shut the fuck up.
I'm excited to watch it because of all of the horrible personal things that happened to the director while it was being made.
It's not hurting anyone, a lot of the footage is already there, I don't see what the issue is.
If it sounds like I'm being ridiculous, check out this brief Twitter thread from January about Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. https://twitter.com/broderick/status/1212766342664859650 This is the direction all large fandom discourse is headed in: baseless conspiracy theories, tribalism, and harassing stan armies mobilized against directors, writers, actors, producers, journalists, or whoever else they've decided is responsible for them not getting the exact film they wanted. Putting out the Snyder cut only adds fuel to the fire.
Ten albums that I've obsessed over during my life, in roughly chronological order of when I discovered them. There are probably a lot I'm forgetting, but these are the first that came to mind. About the first half of the list is stuff I picked up from my older siblings as a teenager, the rest is stuff I discovered on my own. Forgive me for the fact that two of them are obnoxiously obscure.
1. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf
2. Nine Inch Nails - The Fragile
3. Tool - Lateralus
4. Primus - Sailing the Seas of Cheese
5. The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute
6. Jeff Buckley - Grace
7. The Spent Poets - The Spent Poets
8. David Bowie - Station to Station
9. The Divine Comedy - A Short Album About Love
10. Seeming - SOL: A Self-Banishment RitualDee said:I don’t know... these lists are fun but I feel like it’s just a chance for everyone (general everyone) to show off how secretly cool they (think they) are.