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  • 805 - The Bells

    mft9186 said:
    For all the people who are saying that it's only a minority that disliked the last two episodes:
    Episode 4 is 57% on rotten tomatoes, episode 5 is 50%. The only other time GoT was below 75% was the sand snakes episode in S5, which had a 54%.
    Episode 4 has 6.3 on IMDB, episode 5 7.1. They are the only episodes to ever get a score below 8 on IMDB. Even the Sand Snakes episode got an 8.1.
    Just so you have an idea, X files season 11 didn't have a single IMDB rating as low as 6.3, and 7.1 is lower than all but 2 season 11 X Files episodes.
    Critics are not the majority of audience
      IMDB ratings are not done by critics.
    Right, it's just the most hyper-focused viewers who are more likely to delve into the minutia of episodes and are the most passionate/emotional about what happens with characters. As we can see with Star Wars and many other things, hating something is generally more motivating than liking something, so you will always have more people running to post about their hate on reddit and comments sections, and running to give a 0 score to a movie/episode they dislike. 

    Even if what I'm saying is BS, it's at 7.1/10 right now on IMDB. That hardly gives anyone the idea that the negative thoughts are in the majority.

    It's 40 thousand votes, and something that has never happened before, so it's not just some small group of people. And yes, I said that it was 6.3 for episode 4 and 7.1 for episode 5. So I don't know why you think you are correcting what I said. 7.1 is worse than all but 3 episodes of seasons 10 and 11 of the x files, a show that was widely recognized as overstaying its welcome.

    Again, if IMDB ratings are all just hyper-focused viewers nitpicking, why didn't ratings get this low  until now? You can't have it both ways. It can't be just a minority nitpicking when it is the only time ever it has happened with this show. The X Files, which is frequently used as the standard of a show that went to shit and people just gave up on never had a 6.3 episode rating, and only 3 episodes lower than 7.1
    40,000 out of 100+ million viewers.

    It literally is a minority based on the actual rating you are talking about, regardless of what past ratings were, especially when you consider than super fans rush to these sites with much more motivation to give an episode 0's when they hate it than when they just like it or thought it was good.
    Just like there's people who rush to give 0s, there's people who rush to give 10s.

    You are setting up a literal impossible scenario. Should 50 million + submit signed affidavits for you to believe that there is something going on when a TV show goes from 9.5 to 7.1 average IMDB rating?
    rustywright4
  • 805 - The Bells

    mft9186 said:
    For all the people who are saying that it's only a minority that disliked the last two episodes:
    Episode 4 is 57% on rotten tomatoes, episode 5 is 50%. The only other time GoT was below 75% was the sand snakes episode in S5, which had a 54%.
    Episode 4 has 6.3 on IMDB, episode 5 7.1. They are the only episodes to ever get a score below 8 on IMDB. Even the Sand Snakes episode got an 8.1.
    Just so you have an idea, X files season 11 didn't have a single IMDB rating as low as 6.3, and 7.1 is lower than all but 2 season 11 X Files episodes.
    Critics are not the majority of audience
      IMDB ratings are not done by critics.
    Right, it's just the most hyper-focused viewers who are more likely to delve into the minutia of episodes and are the most passionate/emotional about what happens with characters. As we can see with Star Wars and many other things, hating something is generally more motivating than liking something, so you will always have more people running to post about their hate on reddit and comments sections, and running to give a 0 score to a movie/episode they dislike. 

    Even if what I'm saying is BS, it's at 7.1/10 right now on IMDB. That hardly gives anyone the idea that the negative thoughts are in the majority.

    It's 40 thousand votes, and something that has never happened before, so it's not just some small group of people. And yes, I said that it was 6.3 for episode 4 and 7.1 for episode 5. So I don't know why you think you are correcting what I said. 7.1 is worse than all but 3 episodes of seasons 10 and 11 of the x files, a show that was widely recognized as overstaying its welcome.

    Again, if IMDB ratings are all just hyper-focused viewers nitpicking, why didn't ratings get this low  until now? You can't have it both ways. It can't be just a minority nitpicking when it is the only time ever it has happened with this show. The X Files, which is frequently used as the standard of a show that went to shit and people just gave up on never had a 6.3 episode rating, and only 3 episodes lower than 7.1
    Giovanniken hale
  • 805 - The Bells

    For all the people who are saying that it's only a minority that disliked the last two episodes:
    Episode 4 is 57% on rotten tomatoes, episode 5 is 50%. The only other time GoT was below 75% was the sand snakes episode in S5, which had a 54%.
    Episode 4 has 6.3 on IMDB, episode 5 7.1. They are the only episodes to ever get a score below 8 on IMDB. Even the Sand Snakes episode got an 8.1.
    Just so you have an idea, X files season 11 didn't have a single IMDB rating as low as 6.3, and 7.1 is lower than all but 2 season 11 X Files episodes.
    rustywright4TravisGiovanniken haleOldGriswoldBloodyTacoAnominalhiknmt07
  • For All the *Grumpy Haters*

    I think you fundamentally misunderstand what a lot of people liked about the books and early series. Ned dying, Robb dying, etc. all subvert fantasy expectations by following the actual logic of the world. It was never subverting expectations for subverting expectations. It's that the righteous moral guy will be bad at politics, that following your heart in a medieval world means betraying alliances.

    This one subverts expectations by going against the logic of the world. We expected Dany to be merciful because as recent as 8.02 she was willing to sacrifice herself for the good of the realm. We expect Jamie to be over Cersei because he was ok with staying in Winterfell when she had 2 dragons and a bigger army, and then went south when it was a close fight.

    It's one thing to subvert fantasy expectations by introducing real world logic. It's another to subvert real world logic by using fantasy logic.
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  • 805 - The Bells

    I really don't get the "you are too negative, i quit" posts. I listen to bald move because i value their honest opinions.  What's the point of saying that and not even addressing their criticisms? "Paint a positive picture or else?..."

    They are hardly alone in noticing the mess that the story has become. Hbo was the one that chose to end the series in 6 episodes. 
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