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805 - The Bells
asmallcat said:I'd just like to point out that 7.1/10 is fine, so by the data everyone is relying on here it's pretty clear the average fan does not think this episode was bad. They think it was fine. Which is what basically none of the people who have big problems with the show now are saying, as they all seem to think the show is like a 2/10 at best based on the language being used.Once again, 7.1 is detective pikachu. 7.1 is worse than all but 3 episodes of the X Files. It's worse than every episode in season 2 of true detective. It's the series average of two and a half men. It's the series average of saved by the bell.I don't think that going "most people don't think it was bad, just that it went from great to mediocre" is much of a defense.
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805 - The Bells
All the Chickens said:
Right, it's just the most hyper-focused viewers who are more likely to delve into the minutia of episodes and are the most passionate/emotional about what happens with characters. As we can see with Star Wars and many other things, hating something is generally more motivating than liking something, so you will always have more people running to post about their hate on reddit and comments sections, and running to give a 0 score to a movie/episode they dislike.joepinetree said:
IMDB ratings are not done by critics.mft9186 said:
Critics are not the majority of audiencejoepinetree said:For all the people who are saying that it's only a minority that disliked the last two episodes:Episode 4 is 57% on rotten tomatoes, episode 5 is 50%. The only other time GoT was below 75% was the sand snakes episode in S5, which had a 54%.Episode 4 has 6.3 on IMDB, episode 5 7.1. They are the only episodes to ever get a score below 8 on IMDB. Even the Sand Snakes episode got an 8.1.Just so you have an idea, X files season 11 didn't have a single IMDB rating as low as 6.3, and 7.1 is lower than all but 2 season 11 X Files episodes.
Even if what I'm saying is BS, it's at 7.1/10 right now on IMDB. That hardly gives anyone the idea that the negative thoughts are in the majority.It's 40 thousand votes, and something that has never happened before, so it's not just some small group of people. And yes, I said that it was 6.3 for episode 4 and 7.1 for episode 5. So I don't know why you think you are correcting what I said. 7.1 is worse than all but 3 episodes of seasons 10 and 11 of the x files, a show that was widely recognized as overstaying its welcome.Again, if IMDB ratings are all just hyper-focused viewers nitpicking, why didn't ratings get this low until now? You can't have it both ways. It can't be just a minority nitpicking when it is the only time ever it has happened with this show. The X Files, which is frequently used as the standard of a show that went to shit and people just gave up on never had a 6.3 episode rating, and only 3 episodes lower than 7.1
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805 - The Bells
For all the people who are saying that it's only a minority that disliked the last two episodes:Episode 4 is 57% on rotten tomatoes, episode 5 is 50%. The only other time GoT was below 75% was the sand snakes episode in S5, which had a 54%.Episode 4 has 6.3 on IMDB, episode 5 7.1. They are the only episodes to ever get a score below 8 on IMDB. Even the Sand Snakes episode got an 8.1.Just so you have an idea, X files season 11 didn't have a single IMDB rating as low as 6.3, and 7.1 is lower than all but 2 season 11 X Files episodes.
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For All the *Grumpy Haters*
I think you fundamentally misunderstand what a lot of people liked about the books and early series. Ned dying, Robb dying, etc. all subvert fantasy expectations by following the actual logic of the world. It was never subverting expectations for subverting expectations. It's that the righteous moral guy will be bad at politics, that following your heart in a medieval world means betraying alliances.This one subverts expectations by going against the logic of the world. We expected Dany to be merciful because as recent as 8.02 she was willing to sacrifice herself for the good of the realm. We expect Jamie to be over Cersei because he was ok with staying in Winterfell when she had 2 dragons and a bigger army, and then went south when it was a close fight.It's one thing to subvert fantasy expectations by introducing real world logic. It's another to subvert real world logic by using fantasy logic.
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803 - “The Long Night”
Why is it that people can't sincerely be disappointed with parts or entire episodes of shows? Why is it that there needs to be a nefarious psychological explanation?In my case, the reason I was left sort of "meh" about this episode is because it dropped the really smart plotting of season 1 for the sort of marvel-esque special powers that were never mentioned and lots of close up of grunting faces of season 8.Think back to the battle of the blackwater: a carefully foreshadowed and perfectly orchestrated trap that felt both earned, logical, and surprising. Or about Robb's use of direwolves against the Lannisters? Or how Edmure fucked up by beating Tywin instead of drawing him in? This is a book series and a show that took it's military tactics very seriously. And then this episode goes for the visually stunning but intellectually empty. If it had been that way from the start, sure, whatever. But it wasn't, and I think that explains why people who have invested 2 decades of their lives into this story may be disappointed with what is likely the only ending we're going to get, without having to go into any psychoanalysis.
