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  • U.S. Politics Vol. 7: A Dream of 2020

    I genuinely don't understand the Bernie hate. Seems a lot comes from "I don't like Bernie bros" rather than "I don't like Bernie's policies". Anyone care to explain?

    FWIW I think he'd have beaten Trump, but I also thought Hillary would have walked it so wtf do I know
    It's hard to know when someone writes something like this what they are referring to- But I will take a stab at it-

    I don't like Bernie Bros, but I don't think they are the whole of the Bernie supporter community. I know plenty of women and plenty of non-bro-y guys who liked Bernie in 2016 and still support him. I do think they dominated the discussion in certain scenarios, as bros are wont to do; I had some unpleasant experiences at the caucus with them. And I do think they injected an undercurrent of sexism into the discussion of Hillary that I doubt their candidate approved of. But I don't think they dominated the whole election by any means and there were plenty of other voices out there supporting Bernie Sanders.

    In 2016 I didn't support Bernie in the primaries, but I am glad he ran on the platform he did, I am glad he is out there talking his talk, and I am glad others are out there with it too. I would rather see another candidate in the general election because I think he's compromised. You can dig up a lot of stuff about him in the 80s where he was a bit too cozy with communist dictators and while Hillary's campaign didn't do all that much with that, you know Trump's wouldn't hesitate. He's also quite old, which is not nothing. And he's never really been a member of the Democratic party, and just uses the party machine to run for President when it suits him. I'm not a Democratic party loyalist by any means, but I also thought it was unfair in 2016 when people acted like the Democratic party was rigged against him... when he did actually quite well for someone who wasn't a party member at all. This is the system we have and it's certainly not Hillary Clinton's fault.

    When people say "he could have beat Trump" I just don't get the math on that. I guess the idea is that the primary system was somehow rigged against him or Hillary would not have beat him, but she beat him in fair elections- even without the superdelegates, she beat him. So I don't really get that argument and I think it's kind of irrational, honestly. And I know we like to say in hindsight that HRC was a compromised candidate, and in some ways she was, but she did actually win the popular vote and her defeat was not as crushing and embarrassing as DJT would love you to believe.

    Kate23LordByDeeTravis
  • U.S. Politics Vol. 7: A Dream of 2020

    About the woman issue (for context, I am a 45-yr-old woman)

    I think Hillary made it so that it wasn't so unusual to see a woman as a serious Presidential contender. It doesn't matter to me that she lost (especially since, you know, she won ... but whatever) -  I don't think we'll see elections any more where it's all men standing up there when the smoke clears on the lower tier primary candidates. As the years have gone on we have seen a woman here or there in the primary field, but it wasn't until recently that we have seen some that are real contenders.

    Is it because they didn't exist, didn't have party support or they didn't want to bother running? IDK, but I think we've seen a change where "female" is a demographic that parties want to see represented in their electorate and on the stage, for reasons both high and low minded... I think we'd see the same on the Republican side if they were putting forward a whole field of candidates as well. Sarah Palin, as much as she is batshit crazy and completely incompetent, changed that for women as well. She did not hesitate to put herself out there and jump into the role of a VP candidate (even if it was ill informed and delusional to nominate her).

    Over the years, I have come to the conclusion that the first female president will be from my generation ("Generation X," as awful as that term is). Obviously sexism exists in every generation, and women are up against barriers in every generation, including mine and the ones younger. But the Boomers (including Hillary) worked to dismantle so many barriers so women in our generation have had a more fair playing field and have had more opportunities in terms of education, professional work, work life balance etc. that there are more and more woman in higher positions in government and the private sector, and it's both created a better field of candidates as well as more acceptance from the general public that a woman can run things. 
    FlukesKate23cdriveTravis
  • U.S. Politics Vol. 7: A Dream of 2020

    "Review of his six-year record in Congress shows Democrat frequently opposed own party, and supported bills that boosted the fossil fuel industry and Trump’s immigration policy"
    Travis
  • Season 8 tinfoil theories (no production spoilers)

    I haven't read this anywhere but I have this weird feeling that Sansa is going to end up sitting on the iron throne. You could watch the whole series as the evolution of Sansa. Someone make a podcast about that because I'm too lazy.
    Elisasamartian