First few minutes blew my mind. I'm wondering if any of the conversations we have seen between Bernard and Delores are real. Or if we are seeing some bichimeral mind stuff going on.
First few minutes blew my mind. I'm wondering if any of the conversations we have seen between Bernard and Delores are real. Or if we are seeing some bichimeral mind stuff going on.
I see what you mean. They would have had to pause that part of the narrative to take her out of West world to talk with her and then put her back. Maybe she is having these conversations during her reset within herself?
So that was pretty much confirmation that Jimmi Simson is Ed Harris, right?
What was? I think I missed something
So, maybe I'm just reading too much into this, but I thought there was a clear connection with the foundation comment to Ed Harri and the fact that Jimmi is apparently marrying into a powerful family/business.
Also, I mentioned in this in the other thread, but I don't think any current staff interact with Jimmi's storyline that I could tell. My wife thinks I'm nuts here, but I also think Hector kind of looks like Jimmi's brother-in-law or whatever which is interesting considering the clause that the park owns all cells/DNA/etc.
At first, I thought this episode blew the "William scenes = flashbacks" theory out of the water, because of the beginning scene with Dolores in which it seems like she is talking about last episode's events with her shooting the guy. However, I later saw that Dolores says nothing of the gun, or the fact that she killed someone. She only says that her family got killed and she ran, which is what happens to her often when Teddy's gone.
However, for the Will= flashbacks theory to be true, this would mean that the Dolores gun scenes are also flashbacks. Which is reasonable, but an extra step that I hadn't considered before.
Or this could just be a bullshit theory!!
Either way, loved this episode. I like where the Maeve/Hector story is heading. Also, the HazMat guys as Native American spiritual deities is neat. I loved the MIB's storyline with Hector/Armistice/Lawrence. "One more word and I'll cut your throat, understand? This is my fucking vacation."
Really great episode. Not sure what show some critics were watching that claimed it began to fall off by this episode. I loved it. Not entirely sold on the mib/William theory yet. The preview for next week looks good. And that little girl! Somebody throw her in a scary movie, her cold performance gave me some chills.
Really good episode. I have a feeling, the maze, what happened to Arnold, and the incident in the part are all related. Is the Indian religion part of this new narrative or was it always part of the park? Also, no one in management put a stop to the story group using an object that looked like the clean up crew? There should be a ton of red flags going up, but it seems like there are multiple agendas going on, either all along, or just recently??
People need to drop the dual timeline theory already.
This episode busted it IMO. They referenced both Delores, the MIB, and Mabes story with the saloon robbery all in the control room.
The characters in the control room were the same, the logo was the same.
The only things that are flashbacks or visions are what is being telegraphed as such.
For example Delores' vision of the church.
To be fair, Maeve, MIB, and Dolores are all "current" characters. Maeve and the MIB aren't in any of the supposed "flashback" scenes. Dolores is, but we already know that she is an old host who's been around for a long time.
We've never seen Will interact with the MIB or Maeve.
This episode gave much clearer evidence for how they control narratives, ending the shootout early for a couple families returning to town, sending the sherriff to get Delores back on track, approving the MiB's explosive "effect," etc. Does make you wonder if they could jam a guest's gun to "slow them down," or even send hosts to restrain a guest. I've always wondered how the park would control a guest trying to grotesquely murder or assault someone right at the train station, with families around and stuff.
This episode gave much clearer evidence for how they control narratives, ending the shootout early for a couple families returning to town, sending the sherriff to get Delores back on track, approving the MiB's explosive "effect," etc. Does make you wonder if they could jam a guest's gun to "slow them down," or even send hosts to restrain a guest. I've always wondered how the park would control a guest trying to grotesquely murder or assault someone right at the train station, with families around and stuff.
We got a hint of that when MIB started shooting up a high number of hosts it set off an alert. Wonder what they are going to do when they find out Maeve cut herself open. It was good to see that Delores being off narrative set up an alert for them to look at. It looked like they would have been okay with it if it was due to the influence of a guest.
People need to drop the dual timeline theory already.
This episode busted it IMO.
Also, worth noting that this episode makes it a little more unambiguous what the MiB's goals are. He IS a wealthy "gamer," on vacation, with some connection to or knowledge of Arnold, and has a goal to beat the game that seems to involve "freeing" the hosts.
The scene at the campfire, when the two other guest break MiB's suspension of disbelief, leads to him telling snake-lady straight up that it's a "game," but he believes (doesn't seem to know) that Arnold broke the rules by dying and left one story with "real stakes." None of this sounds like William. They're completely different characters. I've dropped any notion of the time theory.
@darwinfeeshy they reference the fact that Delores is with Guests and then cut right to Delores and Will.
They mention that they need to get Delores back on track and send the US Marshall to get her.
Before Delores ran she had a flashback to old Ed Harris as the MIB.
I'm not saying they aren't playing fast and loose with time. We are supposed to be confused as to where in these loops we are. But I think all major plot lines are happening concurrently.
Exactly. If Delores is with William in the past, then what is she up to in the present, when Stubbs says she's off-track? I thought at first if we didn't see William when she was talking to the girl that might be her off-track in the present, as well. They did something where the girl disappeared, but everything in the background is the same, so I don't think it's a time-shift.
@darwinfeeshy they reference the fact that Delores is with Guests and then cut right to Delores and Will.
They mention that they need to get Delores back on track and send the US Marshall to get her.
Before Delores ran she had a flashback to old Ed Harris as the MIB.
I'm not saying they aren't playing fast and loose with time. We are supposed to be confused as to where in these loops we are. But I think all major plot lines are happening concurrently.
Oh shit! I forgot about that!! Theory = blown.
EDIT: changed my mind. The wording of the Stubbs/Tech conversation was a little too vague for this to be absolutely proof against multiple timelines. I think the showrunners are deliberately misleading us &/or Dolores is at the same location in both time periods and is remembering her time with Will.
So that was pretty much confirmation that Jimmi Simson is Ed Harris, right?
What was? I think I missed something
So, maybe I'm just reading too much into this, but I thought there was a clear connection with the foundation comment to Ed Harri and the fact that Jimmi is apparently marrying into a powerful family/business.
Also, I mentioned in this in the other thread, but I don't think any current staff interact with Jimmi's storyline that I could tell. My wife thinks I'm nuts here, but I also think Hector kind of looks like Jimmi's brother-in-law or whatever which is interesting considering the clause that the park owns all cells/DNA/etc.
For $40,000 a day, it's safe to assume that nearly all of the guests are connected to wealthy families/businesses.
The scene with Theresa and Ford was brilliant. And Hopkins was truly chewing the scenery, both figuratively and literally. All of the earth movers redecorating this section certainly establish the park as a physical place, doesn't it?
That scene made me cringe as well -- though not because of spilled wine. The region where much of the scenery is filmed, south of Moab in the region of Canyonlands National Park (which, by the way, includes a region known as The Maze), is one of my favorite locations in the world, and watching it begin destroyed by giant shovels (CGI or no) is disquieting.
The scene with Theresa and Ford was brilliant. And Hopkins was truly chewing the scenery, both figuratively and literally. All of the earth movers redecorating this section certainly establish the park as a physical place, doesn't it?
That scene made me cringe as well -- though not because of spilled wine. The region where much of the scenery is filmed, south of Moab in the region of Canyonlands National Park (which, by the way, includes a region known as The Maze), is one of my favorite locations in the world, and watching it begin destroyed by giant shovels (CGI or no) is disquieting.
I thought that was 100% confirmation that this place is real. Well not VR at least. Yet there are still non believers...
First few minutes blew my mind. I'm wondering if any of the conversations we have seen between Bernard and Delores are real. Or if we are seeing some bichimeral mind stuff going on.
I see what you mean. They would have had to pause that part of the narrative to take her out of West world to talk with her and then put her back. Maybe she is having these conversations during her reset within herself?
Well those of us who have peeked at the website know a little more about how this fits in. From what we have seen there is no real to pause the narrative, once the narrative "ends" (end of loop) they have a chance to take her out. It's a limited time (which is why he sends her back) so that her loop can start again (when she wakes up).
Great episode, I thought the Maeve scenes were excellent. She is becoming a bigger part of the narrative slowly, but surely. I wonder how long before she awakens another.
One thing I noticed about Delores and I'll have to go back and check her other interview scenes. When Bernard asked her to go into Analysis mode it was a sudden shift to "emotionless" state. Even after asking her not "emote" she constantly slipped in and out of that state. I think Bernard was so wrapped up in his thoughts that he missed it since she would weave in and out of it.
The Ford scenes were an ultimate show of power. Of course how can one play God without knowing the Devil .
Pretty fucking fantastic. They shredded a lot of tinfoil this episode. The MiB is not Arnold, he's what he appeared to be all along, a VIP guest who's probing at the game for stuff the creators hid below the surface. Arnold's death is still a bit of a mystery - possibly Ford killed him, possibly it was an early incident of the droids revolting - but it seems pretty certain he is dead, and the way Ford casually mentions him to the manager, I really don't think it's something that's been wiped from the record to such an extent that he could turn out to be a character we've seen. The double timeline stuff is bunk for the reasons others have mentioned.
One thing I'm unclear on - is the Wyatt narrative new or not? Last episode when Ford gave it to Teddy as a backstory it seemed like that was part of his new narrative, but it's already part of whatever puzzle the MiB is solving even though Ford's still working on finishing the new narrative.
My one problem with this episode was the incredibly overbearing music. HBO shows are usually good at toning that back, and not doing the standard TV thing of telegraphing everything you're supposed to be feeling in the soundtrack.
Really good episode. I have a feeling, the maze, what happened to Arnold, and the incident in the part are all related. Is the Indian religion part of this new narrative or was it always part of the park? Also, no one in management put a stop to the story group using an object that looked like the clean up crew? There should be a ton of red flags going up, but it seems like there are multiple agendas going on, either all along, or just recently??
I thought that the Indian totem looking like the cleanup crew was just some inside joke for the park workers especially when Hector describes their significance as watchers from Hell etc.
I'm just happy this show is around to rebound my night from foolishly choosing to watch TWD first.
One thing I'm unclear on - is the Wyatt narrative new or not? Last episode when Ford gave it to Teddy as a backstory it seemed like that was part of his new narrative, but it's already part of whatever puzzle the MiB is solving even though Ford's still working on finishing the new narrative.
My one problem with this episode was the incredibly overbearing music. HBO shows are usually good at toning that back, and not doing the standard TV thing of telegraphing everything you're supposed to be feeling in the soundtrack.
Teddy has always been Teddy Wyatt might have always been Wyatt, but took a backseat to the narrative we opened up to. What we are seeing is that Fords world is so huge that it has many storylines going on that one may never see. If we take MIB for his word, he's seen them all except one (which is his mission now). He's been doing this what for 30 years? He's had interactions with multiple iterations of the same bots over different storylines. Wyatt may be finally ready to bring forward (Ford himself has said he's been working on this for a very long time). I'm guessing all that he has done (at least most of this) had lead to this storyline. This is his masterpiece and they are all but pieces in his puzzle.
Another thing on Fords show of power. He did it without issuing any known commands. This was the 1st time we've seen this happen.
Mental note: Never congratulate Ed Harris about his acting if I ever meet him in real life (especially if he's on vacation).
I'm curious just how VIP the MiB is if he made good on his threat and slit the throat of a fellow guest.
I'm also guessing the one guy shooting up the saloon/bordello wasn't interrupting other guests with how the control room can jam guns, otherwise that's some aggressive griefing for a seemingly core location.
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Not entirely sold on the mib/William theory yet. The preview for next week looks good.
And that little girl! Somebody throw her in a scary movie, her cold performance gave me some chills.
This episode busted it IMO. They referenced both Delores, the MIB, and Mabes story with the saloon robbery all in the control room.
The characters in the control room were the same, the logo was the same.
The only things that are flashbacks or visions are what is being telegraphed as such.
For example Delores' vision of the church.
I love the vieled threats that were behind everything he said even though he was perfectly present.
IMO he is clearly off his rocker. he has a robot head wall in his office and spends his free time drinking with old Bill down in the robot graveyard.
We've never seen Will interact with the MIB or Maeve.
The scene at the campfire, when the two other guest break MiB's suspension of disbelief, leads to him telling snake-lady straight up that it's a "game," but he believes (doesn't seem to know) that Arnold broke the rules by dying and left one story with "real stakes." None of this sounds like William. They're completely different characters. I've dropped any notion of the time theory.
They mention that they need to get Delores back on track and send the US Marshall to get her.
Before Delores ran she had a flashback to old Ed Harris as the MIB.
I'm not saying they aren't playing fast and loose with time. We are supposed to be confused as to where in these loops we are. But I think all major plot lines are happening concurrently.
What a singularly boring episode.
Great episode, I thought the Maeve scenes were excellent. She is becoming a bigger part of the narrative slowly, but surely. I wonder how long before she awakens another.
One thing I noticed about Delores and I'll have to go back and check her other interview scenes. When Bernard asked her to go into Analysis mode it was a sudden shift to "emotionless" state. Even after asking her not "emote" she constantly slipped in and out of that state. I think Bernard was so wrapped up in his thoughts that he missed it since she would weave in and out of it.
The Ford scenes were an ultimate show of power. Of course how can one play God without knowing the Devil
I thought that the Indian totem looking like the cleanup crew was just some inside joke for the park workers especially when Hector describes their significance as watchers from Hell etc.
I'm just happy this show is around to rebound my night from foolishly choosing to watch TWD first.
Another thing on Fords show of power. He did it without issuing any known commands. This was the 1st time we've seen this happen.
I'm curious just how VIP the MiB is if he made good on his threat and slit the throat of a fellow guest.
I'm also guessing the one guy shooting up the saloon/bordello wasn't interrupting other guests with how the control room can jam guns, otherwise that's some aggressive griefing for a seemingly core location.