USA Presidential Election 2016

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  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    PA has 8% of votes left to count, 200K-ish and the spread is 2,500 votes right now.
  • It's all stats.

    If the lead is larger than the rest of the votes it's called.

    IE is trump is winning by 300k votes and there is only 250k left then they will call it. Even if there is only 89% counted.

    Whereas of trump is winning by 50k but there are still 200k votes left they won't call it. Even if it's 95% counted
  • kingbee67kingbee67 Los Angeles Ca.
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    Well looks like weed is in and cigs are going up 2$ in California. I quit in 2001 but I might need a smoke or more to calm my nerves.
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    Ajas said:

    This was the gimme of fucking gimmes and we didn't get it done,... we gotta figure out how to get our people out and vote.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but we did exactly that -- when Bernie Sanders blew up the "small individual contributor donation" vote.

    The lines for Bernie's rallys were INSANE. I said back in February, the only way Trump wins this race is if Hillary is nominated. My scenario was that she would get indicted, but it was a close approximation that played out.

    Hillary's collusion with the DNC was another conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact, and I present to you President Donald Trump. Or... Dare to dream, come January -- President Mike Pence.

    No thank you. Not today, please. 
    What does this even mean? It's a fact that Hillary and the DNC colluded in the primaries. This collusion did nothing to help change the negative perception of her.
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Nevada hollah
  • amyja89 said:

    The thing is, much like with the Leave campaign here for Brexit, in the aftermath people will soon start to see how much of a fuck up this was because they were lied to, plain and simple. Do some voters really think he's going to build a fucking wall? There isn't going to be any fucking wall.

    Yes, many of his clan do expect a wall, and yes there will be one, on paper only, although with billions in no-bid, no-accountability government contracts for his friends.
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  • Ajas said:

    This was the gimme of fucking gimmes and we didn't get it done,... we gotta figure out how to get our people out and vote.

    Not to beat a dead horse, but we did exactly that -- when Bernie Sanders blew up the "small individual contributor donation" vote.

    The lines for Bernie's rallys were INSANE. I said back in February, the only way Trump wins this race is if Hillary is nominated. My scenario was that she would get indicted, but it was a close approximation that played out.

    Hillary's collusion with the DNC was another conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact, and I present to you President Donald Trump. Or... Dare to dream, come January -- President Mike Pence.

    No thank you. Not today, please. 
    What does this even mean? It's a fact that Hillary and the DNC colluded in the primaries. This collusion did nothing to help change the negative perception of her.
    ....Bernie bros.
    Oh, so that's how it is.

  • Nah. As a fellow outsider, America is and has always been a fundamentally conservative country, with deep racial, religious and xenophobic roots. I mean just look at how they relate to health care and gun ownership. Other first world countries view it as bizarre. And the fact that they would be willing to elect someone who is openly racist, sexist, and abusive on all levels because he best representes their views and values says it all. 

    My heart hurts for the minority of Americans who have to suffer under the tyranny of the majority. 
    Your analysis is astute, but the even more depressing reality is that less than 60% of voting-age citizens even vote for president, less so in off-year national and local elections, so it is more likely a majority of the population which consistently allows themselves to suffer under the tyranny of a small minority of partisans.
  • LukeLuke Central Illinois
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    Ajas said:

    This isn't an "American bigotry won" vote... This is an "America really hates Hillary, and what it perceives she stands for" vote

    Which is what people aren't getting. Hilary is why Trump won. I'm pretty sure if Bernie had been allowed to win the nomination it would have been different. Trump would not have had the edge of being an outsider, since Bern was just as radical.



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  • I want to cry when I think of Melania as the first lady.....
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  • Luke said:

    Which is what people aren't getting. Hilary is why Trump won. I'm pretty sure if Bernie had been allowed to win the nomination it would have been different. Trump would not have had the edge of being an outsider, since Bern was just as radical.



    I was a strong Bernie-supporter, and I have long-agreed that literally anybody else would have been a better candidate against Trump (it didn't have to be an outsider, Biden would have won), but I disagree with the idea that he wasn't "allowed" to win the primary.  If he'd won the popular vote or a majority of contests against her, I would agree with you, but in the end I believe there's really nobody to blame for his defeat but the Democratic primary voters themselves.
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    Luke said:

    Which is what people aren't getting. Hilary is why Trump won. I'm pretty sure if Bernie had been allowed to win the nomination it would have been different. Trump would not have had the edge of being an outsider, since Bern was just as radical.



    I was a strong Bernie-supporter, and I have long-agreed that literally anybody else would have been a better candidate against Trump (it didn't have to be an outsider, Biden would have won), but I disagree with the idea that he wasn't "allowed" to win the primary.  If he'd won the popular vote or a majority of contests against her, I would agree with you, but in the end I believe there's really nobody to blame for his defeat but the Democratic primary voters themselves.
    It's hard to say that it's the sole reason Bernie lost, since he was fighting an uphill battle from the beginning, but there was definitely some anti-Bernie collusion.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html?ref=politics

  • I just don't want to rehash this Bernie thing. If there was a conspiracy to quash the Bernie vote, it didn't work very well. I caucused for Hillary in Seattle before I moved out to the burbs and the Bernie folks (edited: GUYS) were standing on tables screaming at us. I just don't want to play that out again, especially here on this forum where people usually get along really well.

    I don't want to hash it out either. All I'll say is that the reason some bernie supporters resent being called bros or hillary supporters implying we're sexist is that our issues with hillary have to do with her corporatist policies and we're actually more progressive than establishment democrats. It has nothing to do with her sex and we find it disingenuous to call it that. Are there some of his supporters that said sexist things? Maybe. But the vast majority of Bernie's message was the fact that he was truly unbeholden to corporate interests and Trump showed that that matters to the American people. How Trump made them overlook everything else about him I don't think I'll ever fucking know. I'm not trying to pile on I think you're really cool it's just frustrating to feel like the message is passing the democratic establishment by time and time again. If they run Tim fucking Kaine or another center right candidate in 2020 Trump will win re-election. Mark my words. We need a political revolution. I really hope Elizabeth Warren finds it in herself to run in 2020.
    darwinfeeshy
  • MichelleMichelle California
    All of this Bernie shit, and I'm just over here like

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  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    Dueces. Strange days ahead.
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  • Listen, I caucused for Hillary but I like Bernie and I think he ran a wonderful campaign. I really hope his movement stays strong and he's able to get more traction on his issues. But he sure dropped his independent status to run for President under a major party to use its machine. So that argument doesn't hold a lot of water for me. And there's a ton of these arguments against Hillary that are coded sexism, but I can't even get into that on this board. 


     I did have some very uncomfortable encounters with Bernie bros, and for the model you suggest to be true, it would have to mean that some Bernie voters went over to Trump. They sure as shit didn't vote in droves for the vast array of socialists we had on our ballot.

     Anyway, just to put my remarks in context, it was a comment from a Seattle voter to another Seattle voter. The pain everyone's feeling tonight with our Trump voting neighbors, family and friends, we had with each other in March. It's water under the bridge. So, let's all just hold hands and cry and not fight. We might have a bigger fight on our hands coming up. That's all I meant by my comments.
    I didn't mean that Bernie voters went over to trump. I truly can't explain where Trumps voters were hiding. I just don't know how we can move forward as a country at this point. I really don't. I'm disgusted that I have to live among these people.
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  • @Degausser24

    It was more of a theoretical argument.

    It's not over yet. And we've already been living among them. Except me because I've been in a liberal bubble with Bernie Bros. :P
    Haha. I mean, I didn't realize there were this many of them. I literally can't remember being this depressed. Every time it gets a little better, I remember another thing that will get repealed or gutted with an all right wing government. This is just gonna be really brutal. 
  • My theory is that Facebook, social media, the news all played a huge part in people not publically saying they were going to vote for Trump. Which made it seem like Hilary had a much larger lead that she did. If I was a trump supporter there was no way I'd tell anyone I was. Just because of how I felt I would be treated by others. However, in the end when it came down to voting...they did. And in big numbers.
    BrawnWonderedObject
  • Frakkin TFrakkin T Currently Offline
    I'm fucking sick over this. Please don't fight about Bernie right now. There will be time later for all that. Hug your person and give your dog a scratch behind the ears. Tomorrow we can be angry and start to figure out how we can help mitigate the damage.
    Deekingbee67voodoorat
  • My only light at the end of the tunnel is that Elizabeth Warren is gonna fucking DESTROY Trump in 2020. Can you imagine him in a debate with her? My heart races with joy at the possibility.
  • FreddyFreddy Denton, Texas
    I've never been worried about Trump. Just four years of loud horseshit and no drastic changes. As a country, we can stand four years in limbo.
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  • My only light at the end of the tunnel is that Elizabeth Warren is gonna fucking DESTROY Trump in 2020. Can you imagine him in a debate with her? My heart races with joy at the possibility.

    I can't even see that. What exactly do you think Trump will do that will turn off these Trump supporters? Not kill enough families of terrorists? 
  • Let's be honest. He will probably get impeached before he makes it 4 years
    Michellez74alhisdudeness915
  • Freddy said:

    I've never been worried about Trump. Just four years of loud horseshit and no drastic changes. As a country, we can stand four years in limbo.

    Supreme courts appointments will fuck this country up more than four years. 
    DancesWithWookiesDeevoodoorattrippy
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