Story discrepancies in E7

In a show that seems so well written, where ever line and action is interpreted and analyzed by viewers like us, I couldn't help but pick up on a couple of (I thought obvious) problems in E7.

- In the scene where the techs come into the saloon to grab Clementine, Maeve grabs a knife, ready to fight. But to what end? Fight off four techs and run out to the street? Then what? Seems like a weak plan for someone with enhanced intelligence.

- And in the same scene, why were the techs wearing their futuristic tech uniforms with masks? Sure they froze all the hosts, but I can't believe that there were no guests in the saloon at the time. We know that there were guests in the street (evidenced by the world's worst gunfight that occurs as Maeve is walking to work). Wouldn't they have seen the techs? And why did the techs need face shields? They weren't operating, there weren't any body fluid to protect them from.

- In the scene where Lawrence sends out the nitro filled Slim to "surrender," he shoots Slim, but the horse also explodes. Why?

I know these aren't theory changers. They're just questionable moments in an otherwise really well put together story. They're distracting. 

Comments

  • cbspockcbspock San Antonio, Texas
    The techs did mention, they had to hurry as to not be seen by guests. It was an emergency extraction of that host. 

    KingKobra[Deleted User]
  • If you were sent to pick up a hookerbot at the crack of dawn wouldn't you wanna be in a hazmat suit?
    voodooratDharmaBotscott777bMurderbeargjulleenmlindhe
  • The gun fight was hosts. As it happened multiple times. We see Maeve walk to work on 2 different occasions and that gun fight happens the same exact way both times.
    KingKobra
  • WonderedObjectWonderedObject SAN Francisco, CA
    As far as the first one I'd say she thought they found out about her and just went into a panic. Probably thought they were going to decommission her and end everything. Figured she could go out in a blaze and as a last resort.
  • @scott777b

    1) she couldn't run, so she thought she might fight (if they grabbed her). It's because she has increased bulk apperception that she was scared. Seeing things from the outside is always different. Much like people say xyz would never happen to me, because I would do zyx. They especially say this never having been in a similar situation.

    2) Ass it's been said, they were in a emergency grab situation. There were no guests.

    3) they might have put dynamite or gun power on the horse as well.

  • Hatorian said:

    The gun fight was hosts. As it happened multiple times. We see Maeve walk to work on 2 different occasions and that gun fight happens the same exact way both times.

    Not exactly the same way. The second time, the guy to the right fumbles with his gun and still gets off the first shot. That's what led me to believe he was a guest.
    Murderbear
  • cbspock said:

    The techs did mention, they had to hurry as to not be seen by guests. It was an emergency extraction of that host. 


    So why didn't they get into costume (as we saw Elsie do in...what was it, E2?) Or send in hosts to retrieve her like we saw in Las Mudas when the Stubbs was told Delores was way off her storyline? Or simply have another host kill Clementine and fix her up before the demonstration?
  • Thanks all for the suggested explanations. But it's having to put an effort into explaining these  unnecessary distractions that don't add to the story seems unlike the quality and complexity of the whole story. That was my point in the first place.  

    It's like why, it a time when all diseases have been conquered (according to Ford) would Bernard -- even when he was passing for human -- have to wear reading glasses? 
  • He's wearing reading glasses. That's not a disease. Even if they could, they most likely can, Arnold didn't so Bernard doesn't.

    As far as the techs in suits that question has been asked and no one has come up with a good answer.
  • I did not think about any of these... a little bit of a reach calling these story problems.

    What else was meave going to do? let them take her?

    They would have went to retrieve clem regardless if they had guests around i would think...emergency situation...Maybe would have done it in costume if there were guests around though i guess.

    Bigger booms are cooler then smaller booms.....i think its that simple...maybe the horse had nitro in its packs as well?


  • edited November 2016
    scott777b said:

    Hatorian said:

    The gun fight was hosts. As it happened multiple times. We see Maeve walk to work on 2 different occasions and that gun fight happens the same exact way both times.


    Not exactly the same way. The second time, the guy to the right fumbles with his gun and still gets off the first shot. That's what led me to believe he was a guest.
    They allow for slight variance (it's been discussed in show). Dolores has multiple variances that can occur within her own loop.
  • KingKobra said:

    scott777b said:

    Hatorian said:

    The gun fight was hosts. As it happened multiple times. We see Maeve walk to work on 2 different occasions and that gun fight happens the same exact way both times.


    Not exactly the same way. The second time, the guy to the right fumbles with his gun and still gets off the first shot. That's what led me to believe he was a guest.
    They allow for slight variance (it's been discussed in show). Dolores has multiple variances that can occur within her own loop.
    The shoot out at the beginning of E6 plays like the shoot out at the beginning of E7, but the shooter to the right is different (black hat vs. white hat). It plays like a little narrative loop we see in the beginning as Teddy gets off the train -- big black hat host bumps a guest, guest gets to shoot and can't get hurt even if he has to check how the gun works first. 
    KingKobra said:

    But even if it was a host set to his "clumsy" program, it's hard to believe that there were no guests in the saloon or anywhere on the street on that bright sunny morning.

  • Sorry, the last bit of that last post wasn't a KingKobra quote. It was my second paragraph. Clumsy me.
  • @scott777b the variations allow for "if thens". So you may see a visitor get bumped, or you may see it play out like last episode. There are "a few" branches for each loop. Some end at the same place, some end at different places.

    It's not that hard to believe especially since all we saw were hosts in the saloon. Everyone froze...they have a "monitor" that allows them to know who's where and gives them these small windows. So they may have only had a few minutes before a guest came in.
  • As for the nitro guy and horse:  The observation room is monitoring the explosions.  They allowed the cigar ones.  They probably make that one more exciting on purpose.

    How many times have you watched a movie with a massive explosion and allowed it for 'rule of cool?'

    I think its reasonable that the authorized explosion was more exciting on purpose.  They want these guests to come back.  If he just went <pow> guests might be like "that was lame."  They wanted an <earthshattering kaboom!>
    cbspockwebswingerKingKobra
  • i don't know that much about nitroglycerine or how much of it was pumped into slim, but i was a little underwhelmed by that explosion.  it's a high explosive and i'd have expected the shockwave and human/horse shrapnel to have done some more damage to those guys than it did.
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