Anyways debating the influence of religion throughout millenia is great and all, but did you guys hear that Manafort had three passports? This is some Homeland shit, lol
And his email password, no joke, was "Bond007" lmao
Anyways debating the influence of religion throughout millenia is great and all, but did you guys hear that Manafort had three passports? This is some Homeland shit, lol
Oh boy. I'm working a late-night shift and stepped out to get a bite to eat. There's a hill directly beside the building that I work in, and a coffee shop at the top of the hill. The hill is about 15 feet high, and not terribly steep. The coffee shop is only about 50 feet away from my work if you walk up the hill, or like 500 feet if I walk out to the road, down the road to the parking lot entrance way and back to the coffee shop (picture a giant U shape...you can walk from one point to the other if you walk up the hill, and if you chose not to it's a long walk around).
Anyway, going to the coffee shop I made the long walk around. Coming back - I somehow figured that I'd be ok going down the hill with my hands full. I took a few steps, hit a wet patch of grass and went ass over teakettle down the hill. I'm now sitting at work covered in mud and soaked in hot coffee and left with a smashed sub and mangled doughnut for lunch....and I'm here for 5 more hours.
Oh boy. I'm working a late-night shift and stepped out to get a bite to eat. There's a hill directly beside the building that I work in, and a coffee shop at the top of the hill. The hill is about 15 feet high, and not terribly steep. The coffee shop is only about 50 feet away from my work if you walk up the hill, or like 500 feet if I walk out to the road, down the road to the parking lot entrance way and back to the coffee shop (picture a giant U shape...you can walk from one point to the other if you walk up the hill, and if you chose not to it's a long walk around).
Anyway, going to the coffee shop I made the long walk around. Coming back - I somehow figured that I'd be ok going down the hill with my hands full. I took a few steps, hit a wet patch of grass and went ass over teakettle down the hill. I'm now sitting at work covered in mud and soaked in hot coffee and left with a smashed sub and mangled doughnut for lunch....and I'm here for 5 more hours.
Oh boy. I'm working a late-night shift and stepped out to get a bite to eat. There's a hill directly beside the building that I work in, and a coffee shop at the top of the hill. The hill is about 15 feet high, and not terribly steep. The coffee shop is only about 50 feet away from my work if you walk up the hill, or like 500 feet if I walk out to the road, down the road to the parking lot entrance way and back to the coffee shop (picture a giant U shape...you can walk from one point to the other if you walk up the hill, and if you chose not to it's a long walk around).
Anyway, going to the coffee shop I made the long walk around. Coming back - I somehow figured that I'd be ok going down the hill with my hands full. I took a few steps, hit a wet patch of grass and went ass over teakettle down the hill. I'm now sitting at work covered in mud and soaked in hot coffee and left with a smashed sub and mangled doughnut for lunch....and I'm here for 5 more hours.
It is very much about religion. Go to the Middle East and see how Islam plays a role. I have conversed with Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and a few Saudis...it is about Islam. When your religious text tells you to kill apostates and make people convert to Islam or kill them, don't you think that is a little inciting? False equivalencies like saying a white christian killing people is no different than a Islamic person killing people are completely false. The Charleston killer didn't do it in the name of the bible or Jesus.
When people are literally screaming Allah Akbar as they slaughter infidels, you don't think that is about Islam? Islam has a major problem, everyone knows it, but the left is too afraid to admit it.
Islam, or any other religion/ideology, is just a signifier. Individuals and religious sects can interpret a particular religious text or a prophet's words in a million different ways. My kind and loving aunt, the KKK, Pope Francis, and the Lord Resistance Army all call themselves Christians, and act as they believe true Christians should act, but that means very different things to each of them. History is rife with violent strains of every religion. It is specific historical circumstances that lead to violence. While there are specific religious figures who identify as Muslim who peddle violent ideologies, it is not accurate to refer to a singular "Islam."
That last sentence is probably the MOST important one. Generalizing what extremists do to an entire group of people is no better than what many of them do to radicalize their followers.
It isn't generalizing when you can see it in their religious texts. You can read the lines in the Quran. If Christianity stuck to the Old Testament, you could probably bet that it would have a more violent following. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
Unfortunately, despite what some politicians think, I don’t think there’s actually a real policy you could enact to prevent terror attacks, short of flat out destroying the ideology behind them altogether, (which is virtually impossible) there will always be terrorists. You could literally ban Islam as a religion in the US and there would still be terrorists.
I do think it’s “easier” to influence people to acts of violence when you have a more firm set of ideologies, which is why a lot of terrorists tend to be related to longstanding religions or political disputes.
@Thomas I have known many muslims who are not violent and live in the US. Persecuting the larger group for a relatively small number or extremists is no better than what those extremists are doing. If you can't separate the extremists from the larger group, and refuse to see the many muslims that die trying to fight these extremists (and the innocents as well) there is nothing more to say.
It is very much about religion. Go to the Middle East and see how Islam plays a role. I have conversed with Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and a few Saudis...it is about Islam. When your religious text tells you to kill apostates and make people convert to Islam or kill them, don't you think that is a little inciting? False equivalencies like saying a white christian killing people is no different than a Islamic person killing people are completely false. The Charleston killer didn't do it in the name of the bible or Jesus.
When people are literally screaming Allah Akbar as they slaughter infidels, you don't think that is about Islam? Islam has a major problem, everyone knows it, but the left is too afraid to admit it.
Islam, or any other religion/ideology, is just a signifier. Individuals and religious sects can interpret a particular religious text or a prophet's words in a million different ways. My kind and loving aunt, the KKK, Pope Francis, and the Lord Resistance Army all call themselves Christians, and act as they believe true Christians should act, but that means very different things to each of them. History is rife with violent strains of every religion. It is specific historical circumstances that lead to violence. While there are specific religious figures who identify as Muslim who peddle violent ideologies, it is not accurate to refer to a singular "Islam."
That last sentence is probably the MOST important one. Generalizing what extremists do to an entire group of people is no better than what many of them do to radicalize their followers.
It isn't generalizing when you can see it in their religious texts. You can read the lines in the Quran. If Christianity stuck to the Old Testament, you could probably bet that it would have a more violent following. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
As I said before, there are a million of different ways to interpret a passage in a religious text, and most followers rely on their religious leaders for interpretation. I live two minutes away from a mosque. The people who attend it are my neighbors. They have never tried to convert me, nor have they ever threatened to kill me, so my own personal experience makes it impossible for me to believe that reading the Quran ipso facto turns people into murderous religious fanatics.
I brought up Christianity not to insult it but to illustrate how it isn't really feasible from an analytical perspective to treat any religion with one billion+ adherents as a single entity.
If you're interested in the psychology of terrorism, I suggest reading 'Psychology of Terrorism,' by Bruce Bongar, et al.
Oh boy. I'm working a late-night shift and stepped out to get a bite to eat. There's a hill directly beside the building that I work in, and a coffee shop at the top of the hill. The hill is about 15 feet high, and not terribly steep. The coffee shop is only about 50 feet away from my work if you walk up the hill, or like 500 feet if I walk out to the road, down the road to the parking lot entrance way and back to the coffee shop (picture a giant U shape...you can walk from one point to the other if you walk up the hill, and if you chose not to it's a long walk around).
Anyway, going to the coffee shop I made the long walk around. Coming back - I somehow figured that I'd be ok going down the hill with my hands full. I took a few steps, hit a wet patch of grass and went ass over teakettle down the hill. I'm now sitting at work covered in mud and soaked in hot coffee and left with a smashed sub and mangled doughnut for lunch....and I'm here for 5 more hours.
It is very much about religion. Go to the Middle East and see how Islam plays a role. I have conversed with Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and a few Saudis...it is about Islam. When your religious text tells you to kill apostates and make people convert to Islam or kill them, don't you think that is a little inciting? False equivalencies like saying a white christian killing people is no different than a Islamic person killing people are completely false. The Charleston killer didn't do it in the name of the bible or Jesus.
When people are literally screaming Allah Akbar as they slaughter infidels, you don't think that is about Islam? Islam has a major problem, everyone knows it, but the left is too afraid to admit it.
Islam, or any other religion/ideology, is just a signifier. Individuals and religious sects can interpret a particular religious text or a prophet's words in a million different ways. My kind and loving aunt, the KKK, Pope Francis, and the Lord Resistance Army all call themselves Christians, and act as they believe true Christians should act, but that means very different things to each of them. History is rife with violent strains of every religion. It is specific historical circumstances that lead to violence. While there are specific religious figures who identify as Muslim who peddle violent ideologies, it is not accurate to refer to a singular "Islam."
That last sentence is probably the MOST important one. Generalizing what extremists do to an entire group of people is no better than what many of them do to radicalize their followers.
It isn't generalizing when you can see it in their religious texts. You can read the lines in the Quran. If Christianity stuck to the Old Testament, you could probably bet that it would have a more violent following. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
Big fan of Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hersi Ali and trust their accounts of how dangerous that religion can can be and is. Since I’m an equal opportunist for my disdain of all religion, I wanted to question your claim that if Christians stuck to the Old Testament you could probably bet that they would have a more violent following. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Judaism follow the Old Testament? I believe there have been many more extreme Christians in modern times than Jews. The New Testament is just as culpable in the harsh passages of the Old Testament for not walking things back such as the acceptance of slavery.
Oh this couldn't be better race baiting BS, literally the day before a Muslim from Uzbekistan runs over and kills some Argies and a Belgian in New York (both nationalities being predominately white) a PAC identifying themselves as Latino released an totally out of whack advertisement which depicts a multiracial group of kids being pursued by a middle aged white man with bumper stickers for Ed Gillespie (Republican running for Governor) on a big pickup, if you watch the ad they're running, why I don't know, like these kids, mainly brown with an Asian and a black kid thrown in the bunch for reasons no one knows just takes off running down the street after a man with a rebel flag in his pickup sees them, he follows them to an ally where the kids are blocked off and then the children wake up, it was a nightmare and I guess the post narration says Ed Gillespie is a Nazi or some sh!t
like watch the ad, it's a trip.
and they pulled it because of a real life role reversal, talk about a sick kind of irony
Oh this couldn't be better race baiting BS, literally the day before a Muslim from Uzbekistan runs over and kills some Argies and a Belgian in New York (both nationalities being predominately white) a PAC identifying themselves as Latino released an totally out of whack advertisement which depicts a multiracial group of kids being pursued by a middle aged white man with bumper stickers for Ed Gillespie (Republican running for Governor) on a big pickup, if you watch the ad they're running, why I don't know, like these kids, mainly brown with an Asian and a black kid thrown in the bunch for reasons no one knows just takes off running down the street after a man with a rebel flag in his pickup sees them, he follows them to an ally where the kids are blocked off and then the children wake up, it was a nightmare and I guess the post narration says Ed Gillespie is a Nazi or some sh!t
like watch the ad, it's a trip.
and they pulled it because of a real life role reversal, talk about a sick kind of irony
Republicans are child-murdering racists. And some, I assume, are good people.
In all seriousness, I do agree that divisive ads like this are ultimately destructive to society and I wouldn't vote for anyone who tried to scare me into doing so.
Oh this couldn't be better race baiting BS, literally the day before a Muslim from Uzbekistan runs over and kills some Argies and a Belgian in New York (both nationalities being predominately white) a PAC identifying themselves as Latino released an totally out of whack advertisement which depicts a multiracial group of kids being pursued by a middle aged white man with bumper stickers for Ed Gillespie (Republican running for Governor) on a big pickup, if you watch the ad they're running, why I don't know, like these kids, mainly brown with an Asian and a black kid thrown in the bunch for reasons no one knows just takes off running down the street after a man with a rebel flag in his pickup sees them, he follows them to an ally where the kids are blocked off and then the children wake up, it was a nightmare and I guess the post narration says Ed Gillespie is a Nazi or some sh!t
like watch the ad, it's a trip.
and they pulled it because of a real life role reversal, talk about a sick kind of irony
Republicans are child-murdering racists. And some, I assume, are good people.
In all seriousness, I do agree that divisive ads like this are ultimately destructive to society and I wouldn't vote for anyone who tried to scare me into doing so.
I seriously am looking at this PAC to find any reason to believe this is an attempt at trolling. You couldn't make an ad easier to parody.
this reminds of, years ago there was a Canadian novel called "Homeward Bound" about some pets that get lost in Ontario and find their way home. Well an American studio adapted it and that movie was so popular they made a sequel where the pets get lost in San Francisco and the main antagonistic is "the blood red van" which is this red package car driven by these two brutes who round up strays for laboratory research and constantly through the movie one of the pets will say "look there's the blood red van" and they all take off running....
@Thomas I have known many muslims who are not violent and live in the US. Persecuting the larger group for a relatively small number or extremists is no better than what those extremists are doing. If you can't separate the extremists from the larger group, and refuse to see the many muslims that die trying to fight these extremists (and the innocents as well) there is nothing more to say.
Did you just decline to read what I wrote? I know tons of Muslims. I had to live with almost all Muslims for two years. Those Muslims HATE terrorism, but also hate how majority of the Muslim population just stays quiet rather than standing up to stop the radicalism.
After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the Muslim communities the perpetrators were staying in KNEW they were there but refused to say anything because their leaders would get angry. That is an example of non-radical Muslims on hindering the problem.
It is very much about religion. Go to the Middle East and see how Islam plays a role. I have conversed with Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and a few Saudis...it is about Islam. When your religious text tells you to kill apostates and make people convert to Islam or kill them, don't you think that is a little inciting? False equivalencies like saying a white christian killing people is no different than a Islamic person killing people are completely false. The Charleston killer didn't do it in the name of the bible or Jesus.
When people are literally screaming Allah Akbar as they slaughter infidels, you don't think that is about Islam? Islam has a major problem, everyone knows it, but the left is too afraid to admit it.
Islam, or any other religion/ideology, is just a signifier. Individuals and religious sects can interpret a particular religious text or a prophet's words in a million different ways. My kind and loving aunt, the KKK, Pope Francis, and the Lord Resistance Army all call themselves Christians, and act as they believe true Christians should act, but that means very different things to each of them. History is rife with violent strains of every religion. It is specific historical circumstances that lead to violence. While there are specific religious figures who identify as Muslim who peddle violent ideologies, it is not accurate to refer to a singular "Islam."
That last sentence is probably the MOST important one. Generalizing what extremists do to an entire group of people is no better than what many of them do to radicalize their followers.
It isn't generalizing when you can see it in their religious texts. You can read the lines in the Quran. If Christianity stuck to the Old Testament, you could probably bet that it would have a more violent following. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
As I said before, there are a million of different ways to interpret a passage in a religious text, and most followers rely on their religious leaders for interpretation. I live two minutes away from a mosque. The people who attend it are my neighbors. They have never tried to convert me, nor have they ever threatened to kill me, so my own personal experience makes it impossible for me to believe that reading the Quran ipso facto turns people into murderous religious fanatics.
I brought up Christianity not to insult it but to illustrate how it isn't really feasible from an analytical perspective to treat any religion with one billion+ adherents as a single entity.
If you're interested in the psychology of terrorism, I suggest reading 'Psychology of Terrorism,' by Bruce Bongar, et al.
My first graduate school course was called "Psychology of Terrorism" and I had to read the book. Didn't change my opinion that the larger issue is that non-radical Muslims prefer to stay quiet than stand up against radicalism. Nobody is saying arrest all Muslims. People who are outspoken towards Islam criticize their failure to act and police their own. Muslim clerics shouldn't be the ruling body of communities, but they are, because their faith prefers to restrict freedoms than promote it. I work with Muslims who live in a predominantly Christian neighborhood. They are free to do what they want. The Muslims that I have met who live in places like New York or St Paul aren't allowed to speak out or else they will be verbally, and sometimes physically, assaulted by their neighbors.
It is very much about religion. Go to the Middle East and see how Islam plays a role. I have conversed with Iraqis, Afghanis, Pakistanis, Iranians, and a few Saudis...it is about Islam. When your religious text tells you to kill apostates and make people convert to Islam or kill them, don't you think that is a little inciting? False equivalencies like saying a white christian killing people is no different than a Islamic person killing people are completely false. The Charleston killer didn't do it in the name of the bible or Jesus.
When people are literally screaming Allah Akbar as they slaughter infidels, you don't think that is about Islam? Islam has a major problem, everyone knows it, but the left is too afraid to admit it.
Islam, or any other religion/ideology, is just a signifier. Individuals and religious sects can interpret a particular religious text or a prophet's words in a million different ways. My kind and loving aunt, the KKK, Pope Francis, and the Lord Resistance Army all call themselves Christians, and act as they believe true Christians should act, but that means very different things to each of them. History is rife with violent strains of every religion. It is specific historical circumstances that lead to violence. While there are specific religious figures who identify as Muslim who peddle violent ideologies, it is not accurate to refer to a singular "Islam."
That last sentence is probably the MOST important one. Generalizing what extremists do to an entire group of people is no better than what many of them do to radicalize their followers.
It isn't generalizing when you can see it in their religious texts. You can read the lines in the Quran. If Christianity stuck to the Old Testament, you could probably bet that it would have a more violent following. "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
Big fan of Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hersi Ali and trust their accounts of how dangerous that religion can can be and is. Since I’m an equal opportunist for my disdain of all religion, I wanted to question your claim that if Christians stuck to the Old Testament you could probably bet that they would have a more violent following. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Judaism follow the Old Testament? I believe there have been many more extreme Christians in modern times than Jews. The New Testament is just as culpable in the harsh passages of the Old Testament for not walking things back such as the acceptance of slavery.
Got me on that one. I am way more familiar with Islam than I am Christianity. That example enforces my issues with Islam even more though.
I can assume you are also a big Sam Harris fan then too? Him and Douglas Murray really get it.
@Thomas If it's incumbent on all Muslims to denounce Muslim radicals, isn't it also incumbent on all white people to denounce the vegas shooter, Timothy McVeigh, and Dylann Roof? When have white people ever spoken up to denounce these radical terrorists who share their culture?
@Thomas If it's incumbent on all Muslims to denounce Muslim radicals, isn't it also incumbent on all white people to denounce the vegas shooter, Timothy McVeigh, and Dylann Roof? When have white people ever spoken up to denounce these radical terrorists who share their culture?
Another false equivalency. I am pretty sure every media channel in America came out and said Dylann Roof was an evil, awful human. If Roof's neighbors all knew what he was planning on doing, do you think they would have remained silent for fear that they would be chastised by their community? No. Do you think if Timothy McVeigh's family, friends, and neighbors all knew what he was about to do they would have remained silent? Of course not.
When a radical Muslim terrorist blows himself up in a school, entire countries celebrate. Imams praise the martyr. You can watch hundreds of videos of Muslims clerics talking in front of huge crowds praising those martyrs who slaughtered the non-believers. Show me videos of reputable community leaders actually praising Timothy McVeigh or Dylann Roof?
If it isn't Islam's fault that people in Muslim communities are too afraid to speak up to prevent a terrorist attack, then whose fault is it? It must also not be Islam's fault that women can be stoned to death in most Islamic nations simply because of a rumor of adultery. Those same women who were forced into marriage, many at young ages. I am sure it isn't Islam's fault that young boys are used as sex toys in Afghanistan? Probably isn't Islam's fault most Islamic nations have banned homosexuality either huh?
@Thomas I have known many muslims who are not violent and live in the US. Persecuting the larger group for a relatively small number or extremists is no better than what those extremists are doing. If you can't separate the extremists from the larger group, and refuse to see the many muslims that die trying to fight these extremists (and the innocents as well) there is nothing more to say.
Did you just decline to read what I wrote? I know tons of Muslims. I had to live with almost all Muslims for two years. Those Muslims HATE terrorism, but also hate how majority of the Muslim population just stays quiet rather than standing up to stop the radicalism.
After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the Muslim communities the perpetrators were staying in KNEW they were there but refused to say anything because their leaders would get angry. That is an example of non-radical Muslims on hindering the problem.
So every muslim you know hates terrorism, but those you don't know are fine with it? What are the odds of that...? haha
You're talking very broadly about the problems with an entire religion. What I am saying is that if you say American Muslims need to condemn Muslim terrorists, you also need to say that white americans need to condemn white terrorists or explain to me why they don't.
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And a cell phone registered to a fake name....
Anyway, going to the coffee shop I made the long walk around. Coming back - I somehow figured that I'd be ok going down the hill with my hands full. I took a few steps, hit a wet patch of grass and went ass over teakettle down the hill. I'm now sitting at work covered in mud and soaked in hot coffee and left with a smashed sub and mangled doughnut for lunch....and I'm here for 5 more hours.
"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
I mean, I could easily go on. You're telling me people devout in the faith aren't going to read this and say "hmm, killing non-Muslims will make Allah happy and get me to heaven."??
Saudi Arabia is the number 1 exporter of Wahhabism in the world.
Iran and Pakistan are Islamic Republics and both government support terrorist networks....could you imagine if the US labeled itself a Christian Democracy?
I don't even need to get into their treatment of women and gay people, which is atrocious.
People like to jump to the whataboutism by deflecting to Christianity because they feel better about themselves insulting what they know more about. Would you say the epidemic of sexual assault in the Catholic church IS NOT a religious issue? No,because it is, and by saying so doesn't mean you are degrading every Catholic. Same for Islam. Islam has HUGE problem globally right now, and it doesn't mean every Islamic person is bad.
When Maajid Nawaz speaks out against the problems of Islam, how can you tell him he is wrong? He has been in a terrorist network, he is a Muslim, yet he, along with a lot of others, are standing up and saying there is a problem and it needs to be fixed and it needs to be led by Muslims to reform the problems.
I brought up Christianity not to insult it but to illustrate how it isn't really feasible from an analytical perspective to treat any religion with one billion+ adherents as a single entity.
If you're interested in the psychology of terrorism, I suggest reading 'Psychology of Terrorism,' by Bruce Bongar, et al.
like watch the ad, it's a trip.
and they pulled it because of a real life role reversal, talk about a sick kind of irony
http://www.dailywire.com/news/23028/virginias-latino-victory-fund-pulls-ad-depicting-emily-zanotti
In all seriousness, I do agree that divisive ads like this are ultimately destructive to society and I wouldn't vote for anyone who tried to scare me into doing so.
this reminds of, years ago there was a Canadian novel called "Homeward Bound" about some pets that get lost in Ontario and find their way home. Well an American studio adapted it and that movie was so popular they made a sequel where the pets get lost in San Francisco and the main antagonistic is "the blood red van" which is this red package car driven by these two brutes who round up strays for laboratory research and constantly through the movie one of the pets will say "look there's the blood red van" and they all take off running....
it literally seems just like that.
After the Charlie Hebdo attacks, the Muslim communities the perpetrators were staying in KNEW they were there but refused to say anything because their leaders would get angry. That is an example of non-radical Muslims on hindering the problem.
Got me on that one. I am way more familiar with Islam than I am Christianity. That example enforces my issues with Islam even more though.
I can assume you are also a big Sam Harris fan then too? Him and Douglas Murray really get it.
When a radical Muslim terrorist blows himself up in a school, entire countries celebrate. Imams praise the martyr. You can watch hundreds of videos of Muslims clerics talking in front of huge crowds praising those martyrs who slaughtered the non-believers. Show me videos of reputable community leaders actually praising Timothy McVeigh or Dylann Roof?
If it isn't Islam's fault that people in Muslim communities are too afraid to speak up to prevent a terrorist attack, then whose fault is it? It must also not be Islam's fault that women can be stoned to death in most Islamic nations simply because of a rumor of adultery. Those same women who were forced into marriage, many at young ages. I am sure it isn't Islam's fault that young boys are used as sex toys in Afghanistan? Probably isn't Islam's fault most Islamic nations have banned homosexuality either huh?