206 - Phase Space

A_Ron_HubbardA_Ron_Hubbard Cincinnati, OH
edited May 2018 in Westworld
Director: Tarik Saleh
Writer: Carly Wray
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  • “Fidelity”...oh shit y’all. 
    KingKobraMelonusk
  • Alkaid13Alkaid13 Georgia
    edited May 2018
    Goddamn Teddy, she really did an update on you. 
    KingKobra[Deleted User]
  • Also: 206-Phase Space; Teddy gets an interesting arc. It’s like he knows he’s been violated, and by whom, accepts it and is moving on; danger Delores. 
    majjam0770
  • calebthrowercalebthrower South Carolina
    I had a feeling that Mavae's daughter would have another mother. More suffering to push her over the edge
    manhattnik
  • Excellent episode, looks like the thought/prediction that the interview we saw was from the future paid off. I knew that heartbreak scene was coming, but still hit me in the feels when Maeve realized she wasn’t “mom” anymore. Teddy is a bad ass mofo and with that bill apperception maxed, he is intelligent enough to know his former role. I thought it was VERY interesting that Bernard had a chestnut and NOT a cupcake. 
    majjam0770
  • My memory is a little fuzzy, didn't someone say last week there is no way we see Anthony Hopkins again?
    Doctor_Nick
  • kuman07kuman07 Kansas City
    I hope Arnold's first line the next episode is, "FORD?!? When did you learn to play the piano?"
  • Wow! Great episode...so much happened!
  • Also, they played is the Bernard Teddy bit phenomenally. They have been making it “obvious” only to pull the rug out. 
    303PamG
  • There was a web page that put all Westworld scenes into a chronological timeline. I'd like to find it again and see if they blew their brains out after the past 3-4 weeks
    gguenotConorSaltMelonusk
  • Just finished the episode - My subtitles kept calling Elsie "Hale."   Did the CC give away a major plot point?  Or just bad subtitling?  Hmmmm......

    Thought it was a pretty enjoyable episode, glad to see Teddy seems to not have totally lost his self identity.  Will be fun to see how that plays out.  


    Murderbear
  • CapeGabe said:
    There was a web page that put all Westworld scenes into a chronological timeline. I'd like to find it again and see if they blew their brains out after the past 3-4 weeks
    Someonenon Reddit is still doing it (up to date as of last week as far as I know). 

    Just finished the episode - My subtitles kept calling Elsie "Hale."   Did the CC give away a major plot point?  Or just bad subtitling?  Hmmmm......

    Thought it was a pretty enjoyable episode, glad to see Teddy seems to not have totally lost his self identity.  Will be fun to see how that plays out.  


    They mentioned this on Reddit, think it was just as mistake and was explained there. 
  • There's Hanzee again.
  • I think the aspect ratio change is the audience's "totem" to let us know what is real and what is simulated.  If that turns out to be the case then we can assume everything we've seen up until this episode did indeed occur in the real world.
    KingKobraken haleMelonusk
  • Slick style points for that “previously on”.
    TheEconomistchriskNervousRhinokianescMelonusk
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    Went back and watched all the current timeline stuff with the lesser Skarsgard.

    The only familiar people whose whereabouts we know in that current timeline are Bernard and Hale and Stubbs. 

    i had already forgotten the video pulled from the Native American host where Dolores shoots him, which might be the most recent thing from the two weeks ago timeline.

    We also see Skarsgard and Bernard walk into the Mesa facility via the train entrance, which oddly seems to still be smoking a little. 

    I think we’re meant to assume the Scottish commander with the mustache is in charge of all the forces escorting Skarsgard, but I’m not sure. 


  • edited May 2018
    chrisk said:
    Went back and watched all the current timeline stuff with the lesser Skarsgard.

    The only familiar people whose whereabouts we know in that current timeline are Bernard and Hale and Stubbs. 

    i had already forgotten the video pulled from the Native American host where Dolores shoots him, which might be the most recent thing from the two weeks ago timeline.

    We also see Skarsgard and Bernard walk into the Mesa facility via the train entrance, which oddly seems to still be smoking a little. 

    I think we’re meant to assume the Scottish commander with the mustache is in charge of all the forces escorting Skarsgard, but I’m not sure. 


    I believe he was there before Strand got there. It was almost as if they were the pre-deployment group to set up and asses how bad things actually were. He (commander) was for sure in charge, but thus far we haven’t seen him in the beach scene (or after) with Strand. Maling has been the “leader” and his main contact it seems. She’s also at the head of the op to get the bodies from the “sea”. If that guy was still around and actually the “head” I would think we would see him. 
    ghm3
  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    KingKobra said:
    chrisk said:
    Went back and watched all the current timeline stuff with the lesser Skarsgard.

    The only familiar people whose whereabouts we know in that current timeline are Bernard and Hale and Stubbs. 

    i had already forgotten the video pulled from the Native American host where Dolores shoots him, which might be the most recent thing from the two weeks ago timeline.

    We also see Skarsgard and Bernard walk into the Mesa facility via the train entrance, which oddly seems to still be smoking a little. 

    I think we’re meant to assume the Scottish commander with the mustache is in charge of all the forces escorting Skarsgard, but I’m not sure. 


    I believe he was there before Strand got there. It was almost as if they were the pre-deployment group to set up and asses how bad things actually were. He (commander) was for sure in charge, but thus far we haven’t seen him in the beach scene (or after) with Strand. Maling has been the “leader” and his main contact it seems. She’s also at the head of the op to get the bodies from the “sea”. If that guy was still around and actually the “head” I would think we would see him. 
    Yeah. Just noticed that. And in fact the military tech who got the map online for him is shown dead in the sequence from last week where Skarsgard/Strand finds out the cradle is destroyed. 

    So same force i suppose, but different leadership. And of course Abernathy is gone after Hale telling Scottish guy that he’s not going anywhere.

    It would be kind of great if hardass Scottish guy goes down like a chump. 
  • Is it just me or are the podcasts taking a negative route of late? I tend to listen to instant casts to share in the excitement of the episode and the constant negative comments are a bummer. 
    jimhibbler
  • edited May 2018
    I am just happy that we got a samurai duel. But I've been known to have weeb tendencies in the past.


    Is it just me or are the podcasts taking a negative route of late? I tend to listen to instant casts to share in the excitement of the episode and the constant negative comments are a bummer. 
    I agree that they are a bit too negative sometimes. I think it's because these latest episodes have been really hard to do an instant take on. This episode had 5 separate story lines (Charlotte/Stubbs, Bernard/Elsie, MIB, Dolores, Maeve). That's a lot to keep track of.


    KingKobra said:
    I thought it was VERY interesting that Bernard had a chestnut and NOT a cupcake. 
    I think Bernard's chestnut was pulled out of his cupcake. I'm pretty sure they're two pieces that fit together.



    KingKobra
  • Really liked this episode, especially for a mid-season table-setting one. 

    It's interesting how everyone talks non-stop about being bored with the Dolores plot, I've been really interested in it but a little frustrated with the slow plot development. These last two episodes have finally given us much more and and I'm all the more into it, whereas I was extremely bored with the Maeve scenes this episode, except for the sword fight, that was cool and had a badass seppuku ending.

    Shogun World has been superficially making the Maeve plot more interesting when in reality it's far less so to me, I just don't find the hosts learning cheatcode wireless override commands interesting at all, and it flirts with lazy writing. And is there a single viewer that didn't see the replacement mother coming from the very beginning? That scene was agonizing to me because we were apparently supposed to empathize but to me it was just boring af exacerbated by my really wanting to get back to Bernard/Elsie and Dolores/Teddy.

    I loved the merc douchebag in a Die Hard agent Johnson way; they're fun because they're obviously dipshit characters that are going to kill themselves with their own hubris.
    gguenotPangsken hale
  • JaimieTJaimieT Atlanta, GA
    edited May 2018
    Edit: Nevermind...
  • I thought I recognized Carly Wray's name. She wrote the scuba diving episode of The Leftovers, "Certified", along with a number of late series Mad Men episodes. I didn't catch that she had also written episode 2 this season.
    ken hale
  • The Atlantic's Phase Space write-up mentions the possibility of William thinking Emily is a host, just as  A-Ron mentioned in the instant take. I didn't pick up on that while watching but, thinking about it more, dialogue about who liked/didn't like elephants in Raj World parallels Dolores' fidelity test of Bernard. (I know it's hackey, but i'm still trying to figure out if there is significance between the names "Delos" and "Dolores".)

    If the Man in Black left Emily at the campsite because he thinks she's a host, does it mean he's not the deadbeat husband/father/human being we've been led to believe? Or, to put it another way, if that narrative about MIB is a false flag from Ford,  what does it point to in figuring out MIB's ultimate goal?


    majjam0770
  • @LauraRebecca William directly calls her Ford and says something to the effect of him "making my own daughter into a host" so there's not really any ambiguity there, I think you just missed the lines.
    majjam0770ken hale
  • budesignsbudesigns Tega Cay, SC
    KingKobra said:
    Also, they played is the Bernard Teddy bit phenomenally. They have been making it “obvious” only to pull the rug out. 
    The *what* bit...?
    ken hale
  • ghm3 said:
    @LauraRebecca William directly calls her Ford and says something to the effect of him "making my own daughter into a host" so there's not really any ambiguity there, I think you just missed the lines.
    And to add to this, I think after talking with her and her taking out those bandits, he believes she’s real that evening by the campfire and when he leaves her 
    JaimieTghm3
  • budesigns said:
    KingKobra said:
    Also, they played is the Bernard Teddy bit phenomenally. They have been making it “obvious” only to pull the rug out. 
    The *what* bit...?
    One of the theories that was catching steam was that Bernard had Teddy inside his head. 
    budesigns
  • @A_Ron_Hubbard @Jim I’m sure you’ll get at least one email about it, but Emily said “gala invite” not gauntlet invite. It was a bad edit (I think) which made it difficult to hear. 
    ken hale
  • budesignsbudesigns Tega Cay, SC
    edited May 2018
    Like some others, I had become a bit tired of Dolores' storyline. And I'm not sure that all her recent actions are proof of her being woke, or if she's just continuing to carry out Ford's massacre narrative. But I did love seeing her interact with Bernarnold in this episode. And testing for "fidelity" ... Whoa. 
    So, she's testing that his persona displays a high level of realism, to be able to pass for human in the real world? But, Bernard had always been able to pass for human in season 1. So, this must be something more. Like James Delos, who William was testing for fidelity, maybe this is a human consciousness in a host body. So, is it Arnold? Like, REAL Arnold? And when in the timeline is this?
    Then later, when he walks into the saloon and sees Ford playing the piano. Ford says "Hello old friend." I suppose that he might say that to Arnold OR Bernard. So, not sure if that's evidence for either. And the fact that Barnard has been an unreliable narrator, and that Ford is just a reflection in a dingy mirror, both might suggest that this Ford appearance is not all that it seems.
    Anyway, I wonder what Dolores plans to do with him. Is this her weapon? How will she use it? Or, is she still just doing Ford's bidding?
    majjam0770
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