WandaVision Spoiler Thread

RyanReeseman

I figured this could just be the spoiler thread for the whole season. 

All comics knowledge and Easter Eggs are free game to post here starting now:

Things I took note of but have no thoughts on yet: 

Their address is 2800. No idea if it means anything but I’ll be looking out for any kind of significance.

Things I noticed:

Kathryn Hahn is Agatha Harkness. I think a lot of us pretty much figured this from just watching the trailers, but her going by the name Agnes pretty much confirms it. 

The commercial with The Toastmaster 2000 from Stark Industries ominously beeping before finally producing the toast could definitely be interpreted as Wanda and Pietro staring at a Stark Industries missile expecting it to explode when they were kids. 

The SWORD logo that Wanda sees on the toy helicopter in the bushes and later on the beekeeper who comes out of the sewer. SWORD is an off-shoot of SHIELD, and in the MCU stands for Sentient Weapon Observation Response Division.

Things I saw on the Internet: 

During dinner, you can see that the wine they’re drinking is called “Maison Du Mepris,” which translates to “House of Contempt.” More interestingly, if you just start with “House of” and leave the last word untranslated, you pretty much get “House of M.” There’s even that big M on the neck of the bottle, giving it a subtle touch. 

“My husband and his indestructible head,” Wanda says when Vision walks into a plate. We’ve seen that Vision’s head is in fact very destructible. 

“You’re awfully dense, aren’t you Vision?” Ha! One of Vision’s abilities is being able to manipulate his density. 

August 23rd can also be written as 8/23. But a date like that can also (perhaps more sensibly) be written as 23/8. And if you apply that 238 number to a Vision and Scarlet Witch friendly series like Avengers, you come up with Avengers #238, a story that dealt with an incapacitated vision trying to reactivate. The cover of that comic also features Monica Rambeau, who we know makes an appearance later on.

RyanReeseman

The end of episode 1 freaked me the fuck out. 

Debrah Jo Rupp continuously saying “stop it” as if the choking was just a regular prank that her husband pulled at the dinner table and then morphing into her literally telling Wanda to STOP IT as she kept repeating it was really unsettling. 

I’m all in on this weird ass show.

Chinaski

RyanReeseman said:

Things I took note of but have no thoughts on yet: 

Their address is 2800. No idea if it means anything but I’ll be looking out for any kind of significance.

funny, that stood out to me too so i googled and found this..

https://www.cbr.com/wandavision-2800-address-mcu-marvel-multiverse/

RyanReeseman said:

I’m all in on this weird ass show.

same here, i really enjoyed the first 2 eps. really looking forward to seeing them travel through the different sitcom times.

Teresa from Concord

Watched the first two episodes and not so excited by it. The old sitcom premise is cute but it’s already too much. I hope they really get into the multiverse story. I don’t think I’ll find 8 episodes of breadcrumbs interesting enough. But it’s Marvel so I’ll keep watching. Though I might wait for all of them to drop and just binge it. 

kingbee67

“ The devil is in the details” 

I’ve watched a number of YouTube videos  on the two episodes. Each frame seems to add new layers on what is happening in the show. It seems that every frame is packed with details,Easter eggs and homages. The magazine’s newspapers and wall art has some clue’s when looked at close up. I double dog dare someone to call the number on the house for sale sign in the intro. I’m afraid too, it’s a New Jersey number probably Kevin Smith’s. He’s probably waiting for calls. 

lengmo

kingbee67 said:

I double dog dare someone to call the number on the house for sale sign in the intro. I’m afraid too, it’s a New Jersey number probably Kevin Smith’s. He’s probably waiting for calls. 

And potentially have to listen to Kevin Smith for hours out of politeness?  Ain't nobody got time for that.

I'm finding the show OK so far, probably helped by having watched reruns of Dick Van Dyke/Bewitched/etc. as a kid.

If the show is just to set up the Doctor Strange 2 movie I wouldn't expect Mandalorian levels of action/payoff during the series. 

Garthgou81

I am so in. That was a lot of fun, it seems like people are liking it relatively well, which I am happy about. It certainly was a gamble to start the next phase and the Disney+ TV line of Marvel shows with this quirky thing. 

RyanReeseman

Garthgou81 said:

I am so in. That was a lot of fun, it seems like people are liking it relatively well, which I am happy about. It certainly was a gamble to start the next phase and the Disney+ TV line of Marvel shows with this quirky thing. 

Yeah it was originally supposed to be Falcon and Winter Soldier to officially kick off Phase 4 (with Black Widow backtracking), but I’m kinda glad that Marvel Studios’ first official venture into television is a meta send-up of classic American television sitcoms. 

Garthgou81

RyanReeseman said:

Garthgou81 said:

I am so in. That was a lot of fun, it seems like people are liking it relatively well, which I am happy about. It certainly was a gamble to start the next phase and the Disney+ TV line of Marvel shows with this quirky thing. 

Yeah it was originally supposed to be Falcon and Winter Soldier to officially kick off Phase 4 (with Black Widow backtracking), but I’m kinda glad that Marvel Studios’ first official venture into television is a meta send-up of classic American television sitcoms. 

I hope this lets them become more experimental in their stories. As successful as their movies are, the feeling of staleness is real. Especially when they are churning them out so frequently. And with DC following suit and doing the same thing, this was a nice breath of fresh air, while still getting super hero-stuff. 

Also, I know I can't be the only one that felt excited hearing the opening Marvel fanfare for the first time in a long time. 

awookiee

Garthgou81 said:

RyanReeseman said:

Garthgou81 said:

I am so in. That was a lot of fun, it seems like people are liking it relatively well, which I am happy about. It certainly was a gamble to start the next phase and the Disney+ TV line of Marvel shows with this quirky thing. 

Yeah it was originally supposed to be Falcon and Winter Soldier to officially kick off Phase 4 (with Black Widow backtracking), but I’m kinda glad that Marvel Studios’ first official venture into television is a meta send-up of classic American television sitcoms. 

I hope this lets them become more experimental in their stories. As successful as their movies are, the feeling of staleness is real. Especially when they are churning them out so frequently. And with DC following suit and doing the same thing, this was a nice breath of fresh air, while still getting super hero-stuff. 

Also, I know I can't be the only one that felt excited hearing the opening Marvel fanfare for the first time in a long time. 

Hell yes, the Marvel music starting at the beginning was amazing. It's been far too long since I've heard that. I'm digging the show so far but I'm a big MCU fanboy so my opinion on it is far from impartial. 

Garthgou81

Anyone check out the third episode? Things are clearing up more and more, as anticipated. But we are now 1/3 of the way through the season, so there is still lots more to figure out. I am glad they are taking their time, but also not taking SO long. Doing a show week-to-week means the speculation machine goes rampant online, as we've seen with Mr. Robot and Westworld. It is a fine line to walk between keeping things secret and the audience feeling like we are being talked down to.

I am loving this show. And can't wait for more reveals. I have a feeling there will be a Usual Suspects-esque moment where little details we've seen have larger significance when we see them brought up again. 

Peeps

I enjoyed it more than the other 2 episodes. The sitcom part wasn't as much of a focus, and there seemed to be more "main plot" stuff.

Teresa from Concord

The third episode was better. And I found a Joanna Robinson podcast that’s awesome. For this episode she interviews the director of the series. 

But...I hope next week takes a deeper dive into what’s really going on. I don’t want to need a podcast to explain it. Just enhance it. 

mharmless

The third episode tipped it from me being mildly bemused to being completely bored by the sitcom stuff.  Its not bad, I'm just not in the mood to watch a show that's 95% sitcom no matter how good a job they're doing recreating other classic shows across the decades.  The cast is even doing a great job, Olsen and Bettany clearly have good comedy chops, but I just don't find the show entertaining as a whole.  It feels like its a joke that's just going on too long, without enough actual meaningful plot development to keep me engaged.

I'm happy others are enjoying it, but I think I'm done watching it week to week. I'll check in again once the season is over to see what the overall impression is of the show.  I can't sit through another 30 min sitcom to get 30 seconds of meaningful plot development though.

Chinaski

i'm loving it so far, and excited in the direction it's going. i get it, it's not for everyone.. but it's right up my alley. i'm intrigued with the whole traveling through time and the sitcom era's, but i think that's a small piece of the big picture. i dig how there's some weird and not funny moments where Wanda and Vision aren't amused, but yet there's a laugh track. or like around 9 mins into the 3rd ep where they do a hard rewind edit. 

i mean, isn't it some kind of simulated world for Scarlet Witch to live a happy life with Vision? but it obviously has cracks and baddies are in it? like the OP mentioned Agatha Harkness and or Mephisto like this article assumes.

https://screenrant.com/wandavision-villain-mephisto-devil-dottie-theory/

mjmullady

The third episode finally seemed to make some traction for me.  I'm basically trying to ignore the cheesy jokes and laugh track and focus on the other parts.  Admittedly I have never read the comic so I have no idea what to expect out of this.  So far I'm sticking with it and hoping it keeps evolving 

RyanReeseman

Teresa from Concord said:

The third episode was better. And I found a Joanna Robinson podcast that’s awesome. For this episode she interviews the director of the series. 

But...I hope next week takes a deeper dive into what’s really going on. I don’t want to need a podcast to explain it. Just enhance it. 

There’s a great YouTube show called The Geek Buddies who have been breaking down these episodes and for my money are the best I’ve found. They’re so great about realizing what each episode is doing and catching all the references and Easter eggs, and a couple of them have some of the deep comic book knowledge that really adds to the theorizing. 

I’ve been trying to recommend them to as many people as I could.

Peeps

Ok well that was different. 

Lots of story in this one.

Very enjoyable. 

RyanReeseman

Ho. Lee. Shit. What an episode!

Chinaski

damn, that was a fun and insightful episode! glad they revealed as much as they did sooner than later. can't wait for next weeks episode.

Chinaski

also, nice touch to end the episode with Voodoo Child.

redlancer

Noticed the second time watching that Agent Woo does a quick blink-and-you'll-miss-it magictrick-like flip with his business card when Agen Rambeau arrives. I think in the last AntMan movie he was always trying to copy Scott's slight of hand and never quite getting it, so looks like he's been practicing 

MrX

redlancer said:

Noticed the second time watching that Agent Woo does a quick blink-and-you'll-miss-it magictrick-like flip with his business card when Agen Rambeau arrives. I think in the last AntMan movie he was always trying to copy Scott's slight of hand and never quite getting it, so looks like he's been practicing 

Was really funny to have him and Darcy in this episode. Good use of the audience surrogate trope with them literally watching episodes of WandaVision.

And the opening with Monica Rambeau being un-snapped was pretty great. I know they showed some footage of people returning in Spideman Far from Home, but this was way more personal and visceral, really well done.

MrX

Also Darcy discovering the tv signal was straight out of "Contact." 

"Are we recording?"

"Never stopped."

Teresa from Concord

First time I wished the show was longer. They definitely got my interest. Good episode and need mire Darcy. Maybe she’ll be the connection to the Loki series. 

aki

I'm all in for an Agent Woo and Darcy Marvel X-files show.   Maybe help finding X-men for professor X?  A different type of X-files

rhcoop

I'm wondering how hard a heel turn they are going to have Wanda take to become a straight up villain?

This is the story they are adapting from an old Bryne West Coast Avengers story.   I'm 99% sure she'll be the villain or at least the catalyst for the new Dr. Strange movie.   I wonder if they will bring back Vision as well like Bryne did in this arc?  

I also wonder if they have enough guts to go House of M and introduce the act that introduces the mutants in this series or of they wait till the Dr. Strange movie?

https://www.cbr.com/avengers-scarlet-witch-villainy-reversed/

redlancer

She might just go straight up villain. They seem to be leaning towards Vision being dead in the show, and she's just projecting him back to life. Once that jig is up he's going to die 'again' which from her perspective will be the 3rd time in about as many weeks that she's had to watch him die, one of which was her murdering him, the second time violently ripped open, and possibly the third time with him begging her for death. 

They could be setting her up for a full on mental break-down and the fallout from that. The hints that she's being manipulated by Mephisto or some other Marvel Big Bad might just be misdirection. Elizabeth Olsen can definitely flip the scary-intimidating switch to on as we saw in just the few seconds of interaction when dispatching Agent Rambeau. She gets real scary real quick.  

adobo1148

Well that was crazy!!!!! Is this going full meta? Is Feighe making an appearance? 

redlancer

Wouldn't Wanda attacking a Gov't facility and stealing Vision's body catch somebody's attention previous to it just getting mentioned now? Seems like that's a DEFCON 1 level response from fellow Avengers, like that day. They seem to play it off with a shrug like it was just another Tuesday at SWORD HQ and are just now realizing it might be an issue. 

I know story-wise it kind of messes up the flow of them going from Wanda being a possible victim to likely aggressor, but when an entire group of characters spend 2 episodes sitting around trying to figure out what's going on and the next day the boss says "by the way, last week Wanda went bat-shit crazy, just FYI" it doesn't make sense. 

kingbee67

Is Agnes (and the group she in league with)
the real ones controlling the people in the town? So Wanda is off the villain hook a little bit. Is Wanda just going along with things because it eases her pain? Are Wanda and Vision going to get on the same page and deal with the Hydra or whatever threat? 

I didn’t come up with the Agnes theory but I like it and I’m going to run with it.