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  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    I thought this thread by Mark Kreidler who's a guy who used to do local radio here was pretty on point:

    So let's talk about the greedy baseball players. A thread: /1

    The average Opening Day salary for an MLB player has remained flat since 2016. During that time, baseball owners experienced four straight seasons of record revenue growth. /2

    That made it 17 consecutive record-growth years for owners of MLB teams. Revenue in 2019 was $10.7 Billion. Gross revenues have increased 386 percent since Bud Selig became commissioner in 1992. This is the most profitable era in the history of baseball ownership. /3

    So, good times for owners. Would you like to become one? You cannot. Neither can Warren Buffett nor anyone else, except when voted in. This is a closed-loop system of 30 franchises, protected by a federal anti-trust exemption. /4

    Rob Manfred says about 40% of MLB revenue is tied to the gate, and thus owners will lose money this summer if fans cannot attend 2020 games. Would you like to see that number proven? You cannot. Neither can the players. /5

    (Disclosure: I have a son in the minor leagues. He is not a member of the MLBPA, and thus not a party of any of this.) 
    Because baseball franchises are almost exclusively privately held, they can cook the books to exclude "non-baseball" revenue (i.e., skyrocketing land, stadium & franchise value, surrounding business/housing owned by the investment group, BAMTech sale, etc.). /7

    This is Hollywood accounting, certainly nothing new. It's how a movie that grosses $258M internationally can be shown not to have turned a profit. Players do not share in revenue that does not "count." /8

    That is to say nothing of the fact that MLB's massive national broadcast deals remain in place, nor that the league's most profitable annual window, the playoffs, will likely expand from 10 to 14 teams. More playoffs = more $$$. /9

    "But the owners take all the risk!" You are perhaps thinking of a business in open competition. This is an MLB profit center. Average team operating profit rose 25% last year alone, per Forbes, and year-over-year value increase has been generational. /10

    Owners are entitled to make money, right? Of course they are. And they did not additionally compensate players one penny for any of the record recent years of profit-taking. In fact, players' share of "baseball revenues" has been declining, not gaining. /11

    Now, after years of run-up, the owners want the players to cushion them against some potential short-term losses. But they won't open their books to show their negotiating partners what those losses might look like, or why. /12

    Manfred, a Harvard-trained labor lawyer, is an expert at spinning this particular strain of horseshit. The upshot is that players may appear either ungrateful or spiteful. That's an odd approach, considering the players are the product. /13

    The players still have to negotiate. Whether they do well or poorly by themselves is on their leadership. The last CBA was a walkover win for the owners, and it won't get fixed in the next two weeks. /14

    But the next time your sports-fan buddy - or media dude - gets up on two hind legs to bleat about how the stubborn players are preventing America from being bathed in baseball's soothing balm, know what's really happening: /15

    The owners are using the occasion of a pandemic to try to re-write their deal with players - and it's a deal they're already winning. Who's greedy again?

    https://twitter.com/MarkKreidler/status/1266429679189102592
    NoelGiovanni
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    Honestly I think a part of the reason people blame the players is just straight up jealously. Jealous they get paid millions to play the game they love and they don’t so they just want them to shut up and play. 
    Giovanni
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Giovanni said:
    Cory said:
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    He could have just said the risk is too high and sat out, giving up his salary, if he was truly worried about risk.

    And he's turned and pushed to sell people some new product or something.

    Of course regular folk are pissed, especially those that work essential jobs, and their families.  Many of whom said they were forced to take pay cuts.

    His agent or who is advising him seem to have done a good job shutting him up, as he was approaching A-Roid levels of public relations stupidity.
    I don't see how you could favors the owners over the players. 
    Is someone favouring the owners over the players, or did you only read the first sentence of my post?
  • Cory said:
    Giovanni said:
    Cory said:
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    He could have just said the risk is too high and sat out, giving up his salary, if he was truly worried about risk.

    And he's turned and pushed to sell people some new product or something.

    Of course regular folk are pissed, especially those that work essential jobs, and their families.  Many of whom said they were forced to take pay cuts.

    His agent or who is advising him seem to have done a good job shutting him up, as he was approaching A-Roid levels of public relations stupidity.
    I don't see how you could favors the owners over the players. 
    Is someone favouring the owners over the players, or did you only read the first sentence of my post?
    If I understood your post it sounded like you blamed both sides. To me, that is favoring the owners. The owners have all the power here. 

    I'm only human, so if my interpretation is wrong feel free to correct me. No offense intended. 
  • fidozfidoz Houston
    Everyone on both sides of MLB seem hellbent on fucking themselves just to fuck the other side.
    Cory
  • The owners offering to play 50 games is a total joke of a season and should be an embarrassment on them.  Even if the players accepted that offer, the champion would have a huge asterisk next to it denoting how the season was only 50 games long.  I'll give the players credit for willing to offer 114 games.
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Giovanni said:
    Cory said:
    Giovanni said:
    Cory said:
    How anyone can take the side of the players is beyond me.  By not taking the side of the players doesn't mean you're taking the side of the owners though.  I always take the side of the fans and say both the owners and players can go to hell.

    Blake Snell is the reason the players are looking super bad though, with his "I GOTTA GET MINE!!!!!" attitude/quote.  And how he's clearly driven by nothing but greed.  He basically said the amount of risk goes down by how much he gets paid.

    He could have just said the risk is too high and sat out, giving up his salary, if he was truly worried about risk.

    And he's turned and pushed to sell people some new product or something.

    Of course regular folk are pissed, especially those that work essential jobs, and their families.  Many of whom said they were forced to take pay cuts.

    His agent or who is advising him seem to have done a good job shutting him up, as he was approaching A-Roid levels of public relations stupidity.
    I don't see how you could favors the owners over the players. 
    Is someone favouring the owners over the players, or did you only read the first sentence of my post?
    If I understood your post it sounded like you blamed both sides. To me, that is favoring the owners. The owners have all the power here. 

    I'm only human, so if my interpretation is wrong feel free to correct me. No offense intended. 
    Blaming both and siding with the fans isn't favouring the owners, or if so I don't know how it is.
  • The owners offering to play 50 games is a total joke of a season and should be an embarrassment on them.  Even if the players accepted that offer, the champion would have a huge asterisk next to it denoting how the season was only 50 games long.  I'll give the players credit for willing to offer 114 games.
    Gotta be a scare tactic. Like “fine you want full pro-rated salary? Ok let’s play 50 games and you’ll make 30% this year. Like that?”
    Cory
  • MichelleMichelle California
    I am *seriously* having A's withdrawals.  :frowning:
    I was also really looking forward to giving @cdrive a bunch of grief about the Astros performance this season now that their signaling scandal broke & they can't rely on that anymore.  :smirk:

    Next year.
    cdriveChinaskiNoel
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited June 2020
    Michelle said:
    I am *seriously* having A's withdrawals.  :frowning:
    I was also really looking forward to giving @cdrive a bunch of grief about the Astros performance this season now that their signaling scandal broke & they can't rely on that anymore.  :smirk:

    Next year.
    MLB is robbing a year from the Stros in their prime.  It’s awful. Especially with all the fun stuff going on with the Yankees! Open up all the cans of worms! All of them! Casting the first stone & such.  It’s fun watching MLB social media fill the void by memorializing the heroes from the drug era. My pilz has a dill pickle in it right now but I’m not bitter.  :s
    MichelleChinaskiNoel
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    i miss baseball so much :'(
    GiovannicdriveMichelle
  • Chinaski said:
    i miss baseball so much :'(
    Me too. :( I'm eating peanuts at my desk like some crazy guy wishing there was some Baseball to go with them.
    ChinaskicdriveMichelle
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    edited June 2020
    I'm not expecting baseball this year, they're going to give the summer spotlight to the NHL/NBA while ppl are clamoring for sports.
  • At this point I hope the players just tell the owners to fuck off and say they are not playing. Take the loss on salary and service years and go into 2021 collective bargaining agreement with some real power. Tell the owners their billion dollar businesses are worthless without them. If they don’t play they couldn’t sell their franchise for a million bucks. If they really want to “win” the CBA next year this is their best play. 
    Giovanni
  • MrXMrX CO
    edited July 2020

    Yay baseball starts today!
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  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Couldn't even make it to the first game without getting to this. I would expect them to bank on everyone being excited enough about having baseball back that people aren't going to push for the entire team and potentially the Orioles to be quarantined. Might as well just go with the rest of the country in shrugging and living with whatever sickness, maiming, or death comes of it.
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    i mean i love baseball and i will watch. but i can't help but feel uneasy knowing the risks and the shitty state of the world. there were more cases the last 2 weeks in the US than all of June. i don't think it's the best time to bring back MLB and the NBA imo.
  • Chinaski said:
    i mean i love baseball and i will watch. but i can't help but feel uneasy knowing the risks and the shitty state of the world. there were more cases the last 2 weeks in the US than all of June. i don't think it's the best time to bring back MLB and the NBA imo.
    At least the NBA put serious thought and effort into the season. MLB seems to be half-assing it and that probably means it won't end well.
    Chinaski
  • Only 2 games in... it’s hard to articulate just how much I appreciate being able to watch real MLB baseball again.
    cdriveChinaski
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    GiovanniChinaskiMichelleJoshuaHeterNoel
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    A's open up the season with a walk-off! there was def no social distancing during the celebration. the attendance at the Coliseum looked about normal.
  • MichelleMichelle California
    Chinaski said:
    A's open up the season with a walk-off! there was def no social distancing during the celebration. the attendance at the Coliseum looked about normal.
    Aren't they temp-checking the players before each game?  I thought I read something about that... there must be some sort of precautions in effect?
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    umm WTF?!? my game was about to start and went off the air with a 'Due to league programing restrictions, this game is currently unavailable on this channel.' message. it's not on any other fuckin channel!! CHINASKI IS GETTING UPSET!!

    george costanza it makes me so mad gif  WiffleGif
    cdrive
  • MichelleMichelle California
    edited July 2020
    Chinaski said:
    umm WTF?!? my game was about to start and went off the air with a 'Due to league programing restrictions, this game is currently unavailable on this channel.' message. it's not on any other fuckin channel!! CHINASKI IS GETTING UPSET!!

    george costanza it makes me so mad gif  WiffleGif
    NSCHD!  I'm watching right now!   Unless they're blacking out the Bay Area, but why would they do that when they can't have people buying tickets anyway?
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    Michelle said:
    Chinaski said:
    A's open up the season with a walk-off! there was def no social distancing during the celebration. the attendance at the Coliseum looked about normal.
    Aren't they temp-checking the players before each game?  I thought I read something about that... there must be some sort of precautions in effect?
    oh yeah i'm sure they are but i couldn't help but notice that. i was actually wondering if they were going to do some kind of thought out social distancing celebration if they walked off.
    Michelle
  • Cardinals magic number now down to 58.
    MrXGiovanniNoelcdrive
  • The blackout stuff is just so ridiculous. It’s like everything is decided by people who don’t understand what the internet is. It’s like they don’t understand that anyone can watch a stream for free. Hopefully one day someone who understands how the real world works will be making the decisions. 
    Chinaski
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