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  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    This Deshaun stuff is ... concerning. Up to 9 accusations now apparently but only 3 suits have been filed so far. They're all civil suits but that is a looooooot of smoke for there to be no fire.
    oof! in less than a week that @bizmarkiefader posted this, it's up to 16 lawsuits filed.
  • Yeah it's pretty clear to me he's a serial sexual predator. 

    For these claims to be fabricated at this point, there would have to have been a conspiracy of 16+ women (that's the number lawsuits, there are allegedly more coming) all of whom happened to have been hired by Watson for massages and all of whom were willing to lie in court documents, none of them to decide to flip on the others, and they had to find an incredibly successful lawyer (who appears to be a weirdo and an ass, but is clearly a successful lawyer) who either decided he didn't care that they were lying or didn't vet the clients at all before going public, in a move that would end his career (I'm a lawyer, there are VERY few things that will get you actually disbarred, but suborning perjury is one of them). It's essentially impossible for the "Watson is innocent" angle to be true. 

    It's super depressing how many people are still defending him. 
    Hatorian
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Yea, he's cooked. I think the last number I saw was there were 24 women they had talked to with similar stories even though they weren't all filing suits, but that number goes up every day. Eventually the NFL is going to have to step in.

    It makes me think about that relatively recently retired player (can't remember who unfortunately) who was saying that there are a lot more genuinely bad people in the NFL than you think. We barely know anything about these guys or what they're actually like. It's easy to forget how well protected they (and celebrities in general) are when we assume anytime someone so much as farts it's all over twitter.
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    That’s why I tell my kids to try to only have heroes you know. Less disappointing 
  • Hatorian said:
    That’s why I tell my kids to try to only have heroes you know. Less disappointing 
    Yeah, or just be impressed that someone is good at the thing you are watching them for, and not that it somehow makes them a good person. 
    Hatorian
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    edited March 26
    dude! those Vucevic and Lavine pick n rolls are gonna be awesome! hellva move at the deadline.

  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    damn, the Niners gave up a lot to move up to #3 in this years draft:

    this years first (#12), 2022 first and third AND 2023 first.
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    I like 4 QBs but I’m not a scout. I’d be fine with anyone of Lawerence, Fields, Wilson or Lance. 
  • Well I guess that means they aren't going after Gardner "the stache" Minshew. 
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    edited March 26
    i'm not high on Fields personally. there were a few games i watched of his last year and he was not very good. specifically when he played NW. plus I can't even think of a QB from OSU that was good in the NFL (wish I could say Mike Tomczak haha). Lawrence and Wilson i'm impressed with. and i don't know much about Lance other than he's an athletic kid with a big arm from a small school. it's been 22 years since QB's went 1-2-3 in the NFL draft.

  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Opinions on Fields/Lance/Jones seem like they're all over the place, genuinely no idea what they're planning to do. The way teams look at these guys is often way different than the consensus from the draft pundits, but I hope they pick right cause if they go with Lance and then Fields lights it up for the Panthers or whoever this trade is going to look terrible. Shanahan might also be looking at Mac Jones thinking he can make him the next Matt Ryan.

    I would much rather they be aggressive though and go get the guy they think they can make into a star than be complacent. They must think they can make whoever this is into a star or there's no way they give up that much. If all goes well those picks will be in the 20's anyway, even potentially in a best case scenario with Jimmy. The really big thing though is they really, really, really, can't do any more of this lost season stuff. 2 of the last 3 years where Jimmy got hurt have been throwaways, and if you don't have a first round pick you absolutely can't pick in the top 15.

    Other side of this is wild too, Miami turned Tunsil into I think it's four first round picks and a third. Miami fans gotta be making dolphin noises all over the place. If they pick well and Tua works out they're going to be absolutely loaded and have an incredible cap situation.
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Since it now looks like the top 3 teams know who they're going to pick can we do the draft now or do I have to wait an entire month for this. I can only edge so long.
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    These Mac Jones at 1.03 takes are killing me. I'm not going to make it another month. I am not ready for the McCorkle era
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    These Mac Jones at 1.03 takes are killing me. I'm not going to make it another month. I am not ready for the McCorkle era
    Dude. Ryan pace already is the GM for the bears so don’t worry. You won’t fuck up the third pick as bad. 
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Hatorian said:

    Dude. Ryan pace already is the GM for the bears so don’t worry. You won’t fuck up the third pick as bad. 
    They picked Solomon Thomas at 3 in that same draft. The first round in 2017 was bad though outside of Watson and Mahomes and a handful of other guys.
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    it's official, 17 game season next year. the bears can now go down as the only team in the 16-game era to never have a single-season 4,000 yard passer :|

    Hatorian
  • Phrasing! 
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco




    I just.. I fucking can't. How do you give up 3 firsts and a third for fucking Mccorkle Jones? That game Fields had against Clemson was pornographic, I was so excited when they traded up to 3. Even if Mccorkle ends up being fine, unless Fields and Lance are absolute dog shit there's always going to be the question of what the Niners could have done here.
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    Well the Jets are definitely going Wilson so yea. It seems like every year there’s people who bash a great black college QB and he ends up snapping. Mahomes/Watson/Dak are just a few in the last years where their draft stock wasn’t as high as it should. And I think it was Color based. 
  • I don’t think there’s a world where a competent org like the 49ers take jones over fields. He just seems to have such a lower ceiling and there’s no reason they couldn’t have traded into a lower spot and still gotten him. 
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Hatorian said:
    Well the Jets are definitely going Wilson so yea. It seems like every year there’s people who bash a great black college QB and he ends up snapping. Mahomes/Watson/Dak are just a few in the last years where their draft stock wasn’t as high as it should. And I think it was Color based. 

    There is for sure an element of that happening with Fields with that bullshit report about his work ethic. The recent run of Ohio State QBs is pretty rough but this dude is so clearly better than the guys who busted. It's hard to tell if the Niners are buying into any of those narratives though since they haven't actually said anything about it themselves.

    asmallcat said:
    I don’t think there’s a world where a competent org like the 49ers take jones over fields. He just seems to have such a lower ceiling and there’s no reason they couldn’t have traded into a lower spot and still gotten him. 

    It could be as simple as NFL teams loving Mac Jones way more than the public thinks like has been reported. I just don't understand how the gap between basically every analyst and the teams is so big on this guy when its not like the Niners have had an abundance of in person or behind closed doors visits or anything like that. The same sort of thing happened last year with Herbert where the vast majority of draft pundits and PFF guys were convinced he sucked but so far he looks like the best guy drafted last year. I dunno if I can fully talk myself into the "actually everyone but my team is wrong" narrative but it's all I really have for the next three weeks.
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    i've never been much of a Fields guy, but one thing i will say is he can throw a mean deep ball. he was dropping some dimes in his pro day.
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    draft a few days away and Mac Jones to the Niners is picking up steam. how ya feeling @bizmarkiefader?
  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Chinaski said:
    draft a few days away and Mac Jones to the Niners is picking up steam. how ya feeling @bizmarkiefader?

    I'm watching the Shanahan and Lynch presser right now and I want to dig a hole to curl up and be buried in. It is extremely looking like its the beginning of the Mccorkle era judging by these answers and what they said about knowing they wont make all the fans happy but they hope there's some trust built up. Gonna need to take Thursday afternoon off so I can drink enough to be able to go to bed at 5:30 after it's official.

    I really, really just want to know wtf is wrong with Fields. If anything the conversation should be the Jets taking Fields or Wilson and the value of pick 3 being able to get the guy who's left.
    Chinaski
  • ChinaskiChinaski Santa Cruz, CA
    Chinaski said:
    draft a few days away and Mac Jones to the Niners is picking up steam. how ya feeling @bizmarkiefader?

    I'm watching the Shanahan and Lynch presser right now and I want to dig a hole to curl up and be buried in.
    why do people hate Mac Jones?  "there's 5 Quarterbacks that are all special that are very talented and we are excited to have one of them on our team.." hahah. and apparently we don't know if any of us will be here on Sunday :D

  • bizmarkiefaderbizmarkiefader San Francisco
    Chinaski said:

    why do people hate Mac Jones?

    It's less about Mac specifically than it is the other people available and what they did to put themselves in the position they're in. TLDR is to make the biggest trade maybe in franchise history for a guy who people thought was going to be there at their old pick with so many other exciting options at that new spot is such an awful tease on a fan base.

    This is a draft with a consensus four QBs who all project to be franchise type guys worthy of going in the top five picks. Most of the media and draft pundits and basically everyone fans are listening to have those four being the clear top prospects in some order. This includes Justin Fields who in most years feels like he would be going pick 1, like I said I'm very surprised he's not actually going to the Jets.

    Just to go through the journey niners fans went on this: Here we are with pick 12 wondering which corner they're going to take and just pray Jimmy's leg doesn't explode this year. There are vague rumblings about whether 12 would be too rich for Mac Jones if Jimmy is too much of a risk. Then the niners make a blockbuster trade a month away from the draft trading #12, two future firsts and a third to move up to 3. My first thought was it's Fields. You don't trade specifically to three and pay that insane price that early unless you know there is one guy you want that you think you have to move that high up to get him. There are plenty of draft media people who have Fields over Lawrence and a lot (most?) of them like him more than Wilson. This dude is accurate, fast, smart, has done everything right, played on the biggest stages with a ton of success, and if it wasn't for Lawrence he would have been the expected number one pick since he came out of high school. Trey Lance is also exciting but I don't think people have seen much of him given where he went to school. The hype is mostly based on trusting that people who have watched him think he has Josh Allen type traits, is young (19 in his most of his available tape), and had an insane amount of responsibility in that offense so he clearly knows a lot about football. You can project him to the moon in a best case scenario.

    I turn on NFL Live about an hour after the trade and there's Schefter on TV. Outside there is a terrible crash of thunder as Schefter is brought in to say he would be shocked, SHOCKED if the pick isn't ... Mac Jones. Mccorkle Dadbod Jones who was third string when Tua and Hurts were there, who made a living making wide open throws to a bunch of wideouts better than what most NFL teams have and one of the best pass catching RBs in football in a really creative offense. The dude who's passes regularly die three or four yards behind the receiver and gets bailed out cause the guy he's throwing to won a freaking heisman as a receiver in 2020.

    To be clear, Shanahan should not base his opinion on the consensus of the media and like pff_bobby's QB rankings or mock drafts. The other thing that's probably clear if you're bored enough to read this entire rambling is none of these are actually my opinions other than what I saw in the three or so games I watched Fields play in, I'm just internalizing a lot of opinions and views from people I think are smart and I listen to talk about football a lot. But I have not heard a single person make the case for why Mac is better than any of the other guys who will be available, especially Fields. The closest I've seen is people shrugging and being like well he'll probably be fine in the niners system. That's fine at pick 12! That is not fine as the result of a historic trade! Mac might be fine, even good, maybe even the third best QB in the draft when it's all said and done, but they made a franchise changing bet on that outcome when it looks like they're the only ones who think it's going to happen.

    I don't know if you can tell but this has been an unhealthy obsession for me for like a month now and I might actually die before Thursday.

  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    edited April 26
    Oh boo hoo. You got the 3rd pick. Bears got Dalton and 20. I don’t wanna hear no complaining. Bears fans would be happy with any of those 5. ;)
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