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  • DeeDee Adelaide
    @JoshTheBlack That really interesting if it is a cause of the disparity. One of our states (NSW) has an out of control outbreak going on at the moment, and their strategy has been to push vaccinations, part of which is bringing forward the second AstraZeneca jab. I wonder if that might cause issues with future outbreaks and the people who’ve had less time between start getting sicker if they get Covid. 
  • HatorianHatorian Dagobah
    edited August 2021
    Not trying to restart the argument here. 

    Just an article that I think people should read if they are for federal level mandates.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/federal-vaccine-court-hasnt-helped-090039869.html

    A federal program compensates people experiencing vaccine injuries, but not injuries from COVID-19 vaccines — not yet, anyway.

    Such injuries are rare, but “if you’re going to take one for the team, the team has to have your back,” said Katharine Van Tassel, a vaccine law expert at the Case Western Reserve University School of Law in Cleveland. “That’s a moral imperative.”

    Thirty-five years ago, Congress created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, known as the vaccine court, for children hurt by routine immunizations administered as a condition of school entry. Since it began operations in 1988, the vaccine court has paid more than $4 billion to over 8,000 families who could provide a “preponderance of evidence” that vaccines against diseases like measles and pertussis hurt their kids.

    The court also covers vaccine injuries in pregnant women, and from the flu vaccine. But it does not cover aftereffects from COVID-19 shots.

    A smaller federal program, the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program, addresses illnesses resulting from drugs or vaccines administered during a public health emergency, such as the COVID-19 pandemic. But that program requires evidence that’s harder to pin down, does not pay attorney fees and rules by administrative fiat, while the vaccine court has judges.

    The countermeasures program has yet to pay anything to anyone hurt by a COVID-19 vaccine, and its largely invisible decisions are “an inscrutable enigma,” said Brian Abramson, an expert on vaccine law.

    David Bowman, a spokesperson for the Health Resources & Services Administration in the federal Department of Health and Human Services, said the countermeasures program had a total of seven staff members and contractors and was seeking to hire more. He declined to answer questions about how COVID-19 vaccine claims could be handled in the future.

    In June, a bipartisan group of lawmakers led by Reps. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) and Fred Upton (R-Mich.) introduced legislation to address problems with the original vaccine court, including a two-year backlog of cases. That bill would also increase the pain and suffering or death payments to people who can prove an injury, from $250,000 to $600,000.

    A spokesperson for Doggett said he hoped the bill would eventually allow patients injured by COVID-19 vaccines to get compensation through the vaccine court. But that’s far from guaranteed.

  • DeeDee Adelaide
    @hatorian Australia doesn’t have no fault vaccine compensation for any vaccines, but we still mandate them for children to be able to attend child care and pre-school. I don’t think that’s a reason to not mandate them, but also, wouldn’t it be because they don’t have FDA formal approval yet? Or has that gone through now? 
  • But Australia has free healthcare. Your country actually does take that “moral obligation” seriously. You might not pay out death claims. But you guys make sure your children have medical coverage no matter what. I think people would feel much more comfortable taking a vaccine if they knew they wouldn’t lose their house if they are an unlikely one.  

    The US federal government has never mandated a vaccine. So even the ones with full approval are only mandated at state level. 

  • Let me just clarify. 

    In the US there is no guarantee (even with insurance) that your medical bills will be covered.

    It is a complete joke. I’ve spent over 10k in the last 3 years on “uncovered” medical expenses.

    anyways. Not the point.

    if a child gets the vaccine and does unfortunately suffer lifelong illnesses there is no guarantee their life isn’t now ruined in medical debt.

    that wouldn’t happen in Australia. 
    JoshTheBlack
  • I’d also need to check if I’m Australia you can still sue the vaccine maker. Here in the US that’s no longer an option. 
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Hatorian said:
    But Australia has free healthcare. Your country actually does take that “moral obligation” seriously. 
    Yeah, valid point. (It’s a bit of a misnomer that Australian health care is free though - emergency health care is free, but doctors and specialists will usually incur a fee unless you have a health care card or expensive private health cover. Someone with lifelong medical issues would still probably be a fair bit out of pocket here, but I get your point.) 
    Hatorian
  • My kids are lucky to be Australian. My first 2 kids were born in Sydney and I paid $0 total. 

    We are looking at 4-10k for just a normal birth here…
    Dee
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    edited August 2021
    @Hatorian I don’t have private health cover (I’m very anti-it on principle), and when I had Lily in a public hospital everything was free - even the emergency Caesarean. My best friend went private because she has health cover, and she ended up $5000 out of pocket. Our health system is actually a bit bonkers. 
    Hatorian
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited August 2021
    TX Governor Abbott just tested positive. I have 2 under-12 boys going into elementary next week. Not sure how deeply aware everyone is on the current TX Covid circumstances, spread, schools masking…inevitably political so I apologize and I’ll just summarize my thoughts with you all imagining me screaming into a pillow.  Wife backed out of event tonight after hearing of 4 cases within their network at the event. Also we have the Offshore Technology Conference this week in Houston. Schlumberger pulled out. Smart. Looks super sparse. And fascinating to see the international folks masked and the local oil patch bubbas unmasked. Stay safe. 
    FreddyDee
  • DeeDee Adelaide

    Hatorian said:
    I’d also need to check if I’m Australia you can still sue the vaccine maker. Here in the US that’s no longer an option. 
    I don’t believe so, but I could be wrong.
    Hatorian
  • We got the baby bonus too. 5k I think it was at the time. So technically we were up $10k!
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    @Hatorian Ripped off! It was only about $800 when I had Lil. If she could have just hung on another two years I coulda got a plasma TV.
    Hatorian
  • The baby bonus was nice until those little shits started costing money. “I need food”  “it’s cold” 

    whingers…
  • DeeDee Adelaide
    Bloody kids, always expecting food and shelter. 
  • They really bury the lead here - "It is equipped with an old rusty bathtub which he uses as a toilet" - I have no idea how that works. I hope they only mean for pee, cause if not, hooooo boy. 
  • JoshTheBlackJoshTheBlack Atlanta, GA
    edited August 2021
    asmallcat said:
    They really bury the lead here - "It is equipped with an old rusty bathtub which he uses as a toilet" - I have no idea how that works. I hope they only mean for pee, cause if not, hooooo boy. 
    I picture a rusty old clawfoot tub with a sheet of plywood laid across it, oval hole cut in the middle.

    Edit:  I'd rather poop in a tub in a cave than outside in a storm.
  • I picture a rusty old clawfoot tub with a sheet of plywood laid across it, oval hole cut in the middle.

    Edit:  I'd rather poop in a tub in a cave than outside in a storm.
    But the SMELL my dude. In your cave house? Gotta go poop in a stream or a hole or something. 
  • asmallcat said:
    I picture a rusty old clawfoot tub with a sheet of plywood laid across it, oval hole cut in the middle.

    Edit:  I'd rather poop in a tub in a cave than outside in a storm.
    But the SMELL my dude. In your cave house? Gotta go poop in a stream or a hole or something. 
    Thats what the shovel is for.  You gotta pooper scooper that shit out of there.  

    In all reality, I would picture the scenario I mentioned, plus a bucket under the seat.  Easy to dump and rinse.  Probably even with some water in it.  It's no different than the old-timey night pots people had in their bedrooms before indoor plumbing.  
  • And just like the pizza thread was overtaken by Australian talk. The covid thread has been overtaken by shit talk. 
    cdrive
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    Shit is safer and cleaner than politics. 
    Hatorian
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Anyone have both shots as Pfizer and have side effects?

    It's 49 hours since my second shot and I'm a barely walking bruise. Aches in my neck, shoulders, back and thighs. And a lingering minor headache.
  • Sounds normal but I’m not a doctor. Surely they told you what to expect correct? If it’s not what they told you then go get checked out
  • Cory said:
    Anyone have both shots as Pfizer and have side effects?

    It's 49 hours since my second shot and I'm a barely walking bruise. Aches in my neck, shoulders, back and thighs. And a lingering minor headache.
    I got lucky and I'm not replying to rub your nose in it, but rather to share my experience so you have something to compare it to.

    I've had two doses of Pfizer.  After the first dose, I had a bit of a sore arm the day of the injection and I would say a mlld headache right before bed.  The following day I woke up with a sore arm, but it went away once I got up on my feet and was moving around.  After my second dose, I felt really sleepy.  I went to bed pretty early the day I got it and I felt tired/sluggish the next day too and had a minor, dull headache.  I also had insanely wild and vivid dreams (like acid-trip dreams) that turned into really bad, really graphically violent nightmares.  That lasted for about 2 days.

    I didn't experience any bruising, no aches or pains (other than the dull headache) etc but your experience doesn't seem out of whack with what other people I know went through.  49 hours seems like a bit much though, I don't know anyone who had negative side effects that lasted for more than a day or two, so I hope yours go away soon.  On the plus side, you're vaccinated - congrats!
    Cory
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    edited August 2021

    Cory said:
    Anyone have both shots as Pfizer and have side effects?

    It's 49 hours since my second shot and I'm a barely walking bruise. Aches in my neck, shoulders, back and thighs. And a lingering minor headache.
    I got lucky and I'm not replying to rub your nose in it, but rather to share my experience so you have something to compare it to.

    I've had two doses of Pfizer.  After the first dose, I had a bit of a sore arm the day of the injection and I would say a mlld headache right before bed.  The following day I woke up with a sore arm, but it went away once I got up on my feet and was moving around.  After my second dose, I felt really sleepy.  I went to bed pretty early the day I got it and I felt tired/sluggish the next day too and had a minor, dull headache.  I also had insanely wild and vivid dreams (like acid-trip dreams) that turned into really bad, really graphically violent nightmares.  That lasted for about 2 days.

    I didn't experience any bruising, no aches or pains (other than the dull headache) etc but your experience doesn't seem out of whack with what other people I know went through.  49 hours seems like a bit much though, I don't know anyone who had negative side effects that lasted for more than a day or two, so I hope yours go away soon.  On the plus side, you're vaccinated - congrats!

    Two things I'll add is I worked out before the shot, which could account for some soreness, but not this level. Even my back, which I've had problems with typically goes away once I wake up and start moving around.

    Both shots preceded a night shift (first one 2.5 hours before my shift, this one more than a day before). These are 12 hour all nighters, which I'm sure isn't helping.

    I wake up feeling like I haven't rested.
    CretanBull
  • Moderna here, with similar second dose side effects @Cory.
    Cory
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    tom_g said:
    Moderna here, with similar second dose side effects @Cory.

    How long did ot last?
    I called in again tonight, and am on vacation for a week.
  • Cory said:
    tom_g said:
    Moderna here, with similar second dose side effects @Cory.

    How long did ot last?
    I called in again tonight, and am on vacation for a week.
    1.5 days for me.
    Cory
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