Station Eleven on OTC

wasiwasi Melbourne, AU
Was super excited to see an OTC for Station Eleven but gee what a let down.

Perhaps I am biased because I absolutely love the show, the characters and acting, themes, back and forth integrated story arcs and general story telling, non conventional format. 

The first 5-10 mins of OTC was comparing S11 to The Leftovers. I get people have compared the two but thought this podcast was about S11, not why The Leftovers is so much better. Would have preferred a discussion on this show.

Loving Amanda Whiting’s Vulture episode recaps and The Watch podcast episode deep dives on the themes and characters as a companion piece (would highly recommend both to those peeps that are into this show) so was hoping for move of the same on OTC rather than dismissing anything about the actual show and nit picking on semantics like background detail on how do people feed themselves and why isn’t there more world building.

First podcast in 5-6 years I had to turn off half way through. Maybe I’m in too deep on this show / just my opinion. 
cdrive

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  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited January 12
    @wasi have you checked out the Bald Move discord yet? https://discord.gg/ZN49z38E

    You’re not alone man, there are a lot of Bald Movers enjoying the show and we got a robust conversation going on about it on their discord channel. I definitely encourage you to check out our S11 thread and jump in before the finale this week. It’s been heating up after the OTC dropped.

    I think Jim did a good job throwing A.Ron a lifebuoy and wrangling him back into the boat regarding show hang ups.  They had lots of good stuff to say too in that back half once they got past Ep 5 talk and addressing all the Leftovers comparisons.  

    Thanks for the recommendations. Gonna check them out. 
    wasi
  • CoryCory New Scotland
    Perhaps I should check this show out.
  • wasiwasi Melbourne, AU
    edited January 12
    Thanks for the feedback @cdrive will check out the discord. With this being one of the rare non-binge dump-all-at-once series (3,2,2,2,1 release schedule) would have loved a weekly breakdown from the BM guys. 

    The usual by the numbers setup for most series for episode 9 (the penultimate episode) is to have all the shit going down, with an episode 10 finale as clean up, so was pleasantly surprised that S11 episode 9 was a backstory bottle episode that blew me away with the feels. 

    Maybe I’m still a little annoyed that the best prestige show since GoT (Succession) S3 wasn’t covered either  :( 
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  • chriskchrisk Indianapolis
    I should get on the Discord again for the finale, or after it. I just heard the podcast and Lol - I had similar feelings. I don't blame Aron though. That's an honest reaction. You always want people you like to like the things you do, as much as you do.  

    I think my big bone of contention - and Aron acknowledges this - is that I think the show isn't concerned with the same things he is. I'm interested in the details it reveals about the fall of civilization or even some of the plot points, but it's not a big deal with this particular show. If you say Kirsten can take out 5 meth-heads, I'll go with it. If you say nobody saw their apartment from outside or didn't care to go raid it, I'll buy that too. Tyler somehow survives on his own - same. In Walking Dead that stuff drove me nuts because nothing about it was as interesting as this show. 

    Following from that, I think the time jumps are fine because this isn't a show that (imo) is trying to hide things from you, but trying to find the best way to introduce you to characters and let you know more about them as you go. It's also not like Lost which is deliberately asking you to ask plot questions and how things happened, and then pulling back in the final season and being like "sorry this is about the characters". I don't know that I'd be interested in seeing those scenes with Clark and Arthur and Miranda without the modern day context. Clark especially. 

    I think Jeevan goes onstage out of an urge to help and that's all you need to know about him. To me the idea of him being a paramedic and not having supplies is interesting for an episode of E/R or something like that, but wouldn't work here. Or it would be a different vibe. I saw it as an early clue the kind of person he is. It's why you buy that he cares about Kirsten enough to stay with her. 





    DeeA_Ron_Hubbardrustywright4
  • Teresa from ConcordTeresa from Concord Concord, California
    edited January 16
    Just finished the third episode and not reading the thread right now because you know - spoilers. But so far I like the show. Episode 3 was probably my least favorite. We do meet the station 11 author but except seeing how weird she is nothing happened that advances the story. We still don’t know what the comic is about. And getting backstory on someone who died in the first 5 minutes of the first episode felt again unnecessary. Hoping episode 4 circles back to the story being told in 1 & 2. 

    As a huge fan of the Leftovers I agree with A_Ron. I don’t see it. But enjoying the show regardless. I’ll wait till I finish season 1 to rate them. If I had to guess Station 11 is a one season show. 

    Edit: finished episode 5. Just getting better!
  • I haven't listened to the podcast since I haven't started the show yet. How much of the season do they cover? That way I know how many to watch before listening
  • MichelleMichelle California
    nstinson said:
    I haven't listened to the podcast since I haven't started the show yet. How much of the season do they cover? That way I know how many to watch before listening
    The entire season, broken up into a few different episodes of Off The Clock.
  • edited January 28
    Just finished listening to their coverage of the rest of the season and would just like to reiterate how much of a bummer it is. 

    They’re SO hung up on the fact that these theater kids are the ones who survived and made a go of it in this new world and it’s really dismissive and bordering on dudebro annoying (way more Aron than Jim). 

    Both of them seemed to completely ignore the fact that the present day stuff is set 20 years after the collapse of society, and the people who are alive now have already figured out how to survive a long time ago. There is no desperate scramble for resources and constantly trying to find food and water and shelter. 99% of the population died, resources are not the issue. 

    The whole point of the show is that humans need more to live for than just food and water. We’re not animals. We need emotion and connection and passion and art. 

    Insanely frustrating coverage that left me baffled that these were the same two guys that so brilliantly parsed out The Leftovers. There’s been countless versions of post-apocalyptic stories where humanity devolves into complete savagery over cans of beans, but the rare time when a hopeful version of that scenario comes along it’s treated with such an unprecedented level of snark and cynicism. Maybe reality is just beating us down too much. I mean, Aron legit talked shit on these people for doing Shakespeare instead of Marvel’s The Avengers. Unfuckingbelievable.
    cdriveblacksunrise7
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    This show proved to me yet again one universal truth, that the word “pretentious” is the most misused and misunderstood word in history. Yes as you said @RyanReeseman, we’re not animals and we crave emotion, passion, and art to remain sane and human just as much as important as filtering your own piss like Bear Grylls.  It was sorta dudebro annoying with like ‘bro I would eat like so many of the Juilliard actor-types I be like CLACK! CLACK! …CLACK CLACK!! and then do it again. And this Hamlet bullshit bro!? Do Avengers bro!  *face palm* ok, well too bad. 
    RyanReesemanblacksunrise7
  • edited January 28
    cdrive said:
    This show proved to me yet again one universal truth, that the word “pretentious” is the most misused and misunderstood word in history. Yes as you said @RyanReeseman, we’re not animals and we crave emotion, passion, and art to remain sane and human just as much as important as filtering your own piss like Bear Grylls.  It was sorta dudebro annoying with like ‘bro I would eat like so many of the Juilliard actor-types I be like CLACK! CLACK! …CLACK CLACK!! and then do it again. And this Hamlet bullshit bro!? Do Avengers bro!  *face palm* ok, well too bad. 
    I’ve never felt more embarrassed to be a fan of Aron than when he said “I love you theater kids, keep doing what you’re doing, but I might kill a couple of you.” 

    BiG bEaRd MaN gO sMaSh. 
    blacksunrise7
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited January 28
    Woh woh I was having a riff until those last 2 words. Maybe take a breath and edit out that part? Ass-hair blanket was funny; they’re essential for Great Lake winters. 
  • edited January 28
    cdrive said:
    Woh woh I was having a riff until those last 2 words. Maybe take a breath and edit out that part? Ass-hair blanket was funny; they’re essential for Great Lake winters. 
    I reserve douchelord status for people who deserve it. I imagine it resides on the same level playing field as saying you would kill some theater kids because they had the audacity to…survive? 

    Any time someone willfully displays their dumb man-brain I tend to take that at face value. Believe people when they tell you who they are and all that.

  • wasiwasi Melbourne, AU
    I’m glad I didn’t listen!
  • cdrivecdrive Houston, TX
    edited January 28
    wasi said:
    I’m glad I didn’t listen!
    Correct. If you liked the show, skip this one.
    blacksunrise7
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