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  • Star Wars - General Discussion (Spoilers all)

    Alright, let's make it quick...Last Jedi was great, the amount of people who hated it is smaller than you think it is, the amount of people who hated it had little to nothing to do with Solo's poor performance, the amount of people who hated it will have little to nothing to do with Episode 9's performance, Kathleen Kennedy should not be fired for Crimes Against Star Wars or whatever and almost certainly won't be unless more films start bombing and critical response drops, and people really need to chill out about this whole Star Wars thing. Fandom has been having this exact same tired, circular argument for eight months now, and I honestly don't know what to say anymore. Positioning the people behind Star Wars as the evil Empire that need to be taken down? Calling for a woman who has overseen four films, three of which have been massive critical and commercial successes, to be sacked because you personally didn't like them? I don't understand it anymore. I mean, I get it, I like the films as they are now, so it's not like I'm going to have much to complain about, but I have to believe I wouldn't be acting like this even if I hated them.

    Honestly, I'm just confused at this point. I really want to try and understand the mindset of someone who is so Mad About Star Wars that they're out here making YouTube videos metagaming the best way to take down Kathleen Kennedy and "save" the franchise, but I can't.
    Last Jedi was extremely far from great. I despise the toxic fandom that treated some of the actors terribly but Rian Johnson did an awful job with the universe he handed the keys to.  And I’m someone who’s been a fan of Johnson’s since Brick. I have trepidation about episode 9 as well and thought Solo was decent. I am a Star Wars fan who sees every film opening night and several times again. If Episode 9 is the same as Last Jedi that all changes, and I’ve heard that from several other fans and work colleagues. So many people say it’s a small but vocal portion of the fans who didn’t like Last Jedi. It’s not. It’s at least half. I wish them all the success in the world and hope the spirit of that universe is steered properly.  
    JaimieTJoshuaHeterFreiberg
  • Star Wars - General Discussion (Spoilers all)

    Freiberg said:
    Nickplay said:
    Alright, let's make it quick...Last Jedi was great, the amount of people who hated it is smaller than you think it is, the amount of people who hated it had little to nothing to do with Solo's poor performance, the amount of people who hated it will have little to nothing to do with Episode 9's performance, Kathleen Kennedy should not be fired for Crimes Against Star Wars or whatever and almost certainly won't be unless more films start bombing and critical response drops, and people really need to chill out about this whole Star Wars thing. Fandom has been having this exact same tired, circular argument for eight months now, and I honestly don't know what to say anymore. Positioning the people behind Star Wars as the evil Empire that need to be taken down? Calling for a woman who has overseen four films, three of which have been massive critical and commercial successes, to be sacked because you personally didn't like them? I don't understand it anymore. I mean, I get it, I like the films as they are now, so it's not like I'm going to have much to complain about, but I have to believe I wouldn't be acting like this even if I hated them.

    Honestly, I'm just confused at this point. I really want to try and understand the mindset of someone who is so Mad About Star Wars that they're out here making YouTube videos metagaming the best way to take down Kathleen Kennedy and "save" the franchise, but I can't.
    Last Jedi was extremely far from great. I despise the toxic fandom that treated some of the actors terribly but Rian Johnson did an awful job with the universe he handed the keys to.  And I’m someone who’s been a fan of Johnson’s since Brick. I have trepidation about episode 9 as well and thought Solo was decent. I am a Star Wars fan who sees every film opening night and several times again. If Episode 9 is the same as Last Jedi that all changes, and I’ve heard that from several other fans and work colleagues. So many people say it’s a small but vocal portion of the fans who didn’t like Last Jedi. It’s not. It’s at least half. I wish them all the success in the world and hope the spirit of that universe is steered properly.  
    I absolutely *hated* TLJ and still saw it multiple times in the theater.  Plinkett says pretty much everything I think, minus the universe breaking kamikaze attack, but that’s doesn’t mean I don’t love SW anymore it just means that the new films aren’t being made with my fandom in mind.  And while that sucks for me it’s okay, my nieces are enthralled with Rey and have little stuffed porgs and want to be generals like Leia when they grow up and that’s awesome.  But that doesn’t change the fact that I’m not excited about SW anymore, and that breaks my heart.  For a while after TLJ I thought it would be okay that the main story isn’t for me because the standalone films were, I loved R1 and liked Solo a lot, but when they cancelled the standalones I knew the day had come when SW had moved fully beyond me.  As it stands, more than a year from 9 being released so I reserve the right to change my mind, I don’t even know if I’ll see it in the theater, especially when Dennis Villeneuve is saying he wants his Dune films to be “Star Wars for adults” and as someone middle aged that sounds pretty damn good right now.
    Great position Freiberg, I’ve had similar thoughts that maybe SW has moved past me. I absolutely love Rey and all the new resistance characters. And when I first saw the kamikaze run all I could think was hope beautifully it was done and then as a I walked out began having the universe breaking thoughts. I am hoping the new direction of SW still engages new fans, I don’t want the universe to die, but I’m sad that I can’t maybe go with it anymore. 
    FreibergJaimieT