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  • 108 - A God Walks Into A Bar - Spoilers

    JaimieT said:
    Can someone tell me why the fuck DM is with Angela? (I stopped watching the show and this is hard to find on reddit.) Much appreciated.
    I like to think that she’s his “type” because she has gone through so much unlikely tragedy and was able to overcome it. Angela’s parents were murdered in front of her, she was left with no family in an awful orphanage, then she was found by her long lost grandmother and started to connect with her past and her family again only for her grandmother to drop dead during her rescue.

    Similar to his fascination with Lori Blake and her crazy life of unlikely coincidences.

    Edit: Also has the unknown “mask” connection with Hooded Justice like Lori had with the Comedian, and also became a “mask” without knowing about that connection. There are a lot of similarities between Angela and Lori when you think about it.
    JaimieTgjames80sassyfontaine
  • 108 - A God Walks Into A Bar - Spoilers

    I know this is a dead horse, but if he doesn’t know that something is going to happen in the future, then what about giving Angela a rundown of how they will have a 10 year relationship that will end in tragedy, and they will have a fight six months in the future where she’ll ask him to leave, etc. And asking Will about Judd because he was asked that question by Angela more than 10yrs in the future.

    I understand quantum theory better than most laypeople, the Great Courses available on Audible covering it and another one covering the nature of time are excellent, but they’re not consistent with application of that paradigm. I don’t think they’re trying to be so I think the ret-coning to try to make it fit is counterproductive.

    This is a comic book show and should be taken on that level. I mean we’re dealing with psychic squid, permeable climate-controlled snow-globe habitations on Europa, teleportation, tachyons, intrinsic fields, pills that contain memories (and commercials), lube man, levitating aircraft, etc. Why would we expect a rigorous and consistent application of quantum theory?
    BloodyTaco
  • 108 - A God Walks Into A Bar - Spoilers

    We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    When he can do self-contained-recursive-loopy-stuff like use his future information about Judd’s death by Will’s hand to cause Judd’s death by Will’s hand, then constructs against his ability to change the timeline are very hand-wavy to me. He created this event solely because he had the power to experience and communicate future events in the past, so to say he can do it with this event and not with other events is arbitrary rather than a constraint of his nature.

    Comes down to that he did X because he did it, or he didn’t do Y because he didn’t do it. His constraints are bounded solely by what is convenient for the writers.
    CretanBullJaimieTBloodyTaco
  • 108 - A God Walks Into A Bar - Spoilers

    LordBy said:
    I love debates about free will, but I think this is more of a plot issue. Dr. Manhattan is a plot-breaker so you have to manufacture a limitation for there to be credible conflict. This show uses Tachyons as a vague limitation that works however it needs to similarly to how the light of the yellow sun (or lack thereof) and kryptonite are used to create conflict in Superman stories.

    None of these limitations are very consistent within their narratives, but it’s the price you have to pay for having a character like Dr. Manhattan or Superman in a story.

    The yellow sun thing is ludicrous on its face. What about during the night, or indoors, or how his outfits only expose his hands and his head to the sun whether he’s in costume or not, is he weaker in the morning, why isn’t his super costume just a speedo or no clothing at all so if can get as much as possible, etc.

    I enjoy the show because of its characters and themes. I don’t think you should look to Watchmen for any kind of hard-SciFi consistency.
    I get what you're saying, and the fact that it is limiting might be a plot convenience for the writers, but the idea that in spite of all of his power that Dr Manhattan is still bound to a pre-determined future isn't inconsistent with his narrative at all...it's the logical consequence of the quantum theory that he's the living embodiment of.
    That framework would work if they applied it consistently, but they don’t.

    The whole tachyon thing related to the initial squid attack is hard to explain in a way consistent with the tachyon thing related to the 10-year-tunnel-of-love as Jim was struggling with on the full cast.

    He can’t use information from the future to act in the past/present because it’s all already written. That also doesn’t fit the squid narrative with the attack having to be hidden to avoid his taking action. It doesn’t fit his asking Will in the past the question from Angela about Judd from the future. It doesn’t fit his acting on his future love for Angela in the past at the bar. It doesn’t fit with his apparent planning with Will to address disposition of his unborn adopted kids when he gets teleported in the future,

    These are a few of the actions that he took based on future knowledge that had a direct effect on future events. I’m sure there are others.

    It isn’t detracting from my enjoyment of the show or anything, but it’s a fair criticism if you’re trying to take it as anything other than super-hero-movie rules.
    BloodyTaco
  • 108 - A God Walks Into A Bar - Spoilers

    I love debates about free will, but I think this is more of a plot issue. Dr. Manhattan is a plot-breaker so you have to manufacture a limitation for there to be credible conflict. This show uses Tachyons as a vague limitation that works however it needs to similarly to how the light of the yellow sun (or lack thereof) and kryptonite are used to create conflict in Superman stories.

    None of these limitations are very consistent within their narratives, but it’s the price you have to pay for having a character like Dr. Manhattan or Superman in a story.

    The yellow sun thing is ludicrous on its face. What about during the night, or indoors, or how his outfits only expose his hands and his head to the sun whether he’s in costume or not, is he weaker in the morning, why isn’t his super costume just a speedo or no clothing at all so if can get as much as possible, etc.

    I enjoy the show because of its characters and themes. I don’t think you should look to Watchmen for any kind of hard-SciFi consistency.
    Elisa