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nstinson said:JoshTheBlack said:Does nobody see the irony here? Maybe @Redrum0376 is never coming back to read this thread. Maybe they just hurled a bomb in here out of anger with no intention to discuss their grievance. Maybe the post was made in bad faith. They aren't the first one to do this, and they won't be the last. Am I the only one who can take their post in good faith and engage with that criticism? I get that you're all uncomfortable with the conversation, but the behavior in this thread is a perfect illustration of exactly what I said above. It's a dog pile.
You are definitely not required to debate @Redrum0376's position here just because you disagree with it, but that doesn't mean you should all dismiss it with ass-eating syrup memes.
I'll Stan for BM all day long. I love the content, and I love the added value I get with that. Today, I am very disappointed in the community. (@Hatorian excluded, you responded in good faith.)
This thread starts off with a gripe. One that on it's face seems inflammatory and divisive. The first 2 responses are FORUM MODERATORS immediately starting in with jokes. Maybe your intent was to diffuse the situation, but this thread has completely devolved in to bullying. Engage with the topic or let the thread die, I don't care. Just don't hijack it and turn somebodies hurt into a joke.
I agree with all of this post and with Ben. If you're not one of the forum regulars, you seem sort of cast off and get flamed pretty easily for airing dissenting opinions (especially if it's clumsily done). *shrug* I don't pay for BM for the community, since I (like Ben) feel like an outsider. I do want to see them succeed though
I know that’s putting the burden on the newcomers and that’s not great, but it’s hard to change that kind of dynamic with group of folks who are familiar with one another.
Maybe we should start a “Welcome to the Forums” thread for newer people to have a space to introduce themselves and interact with folks while at the same time the regulars would know it isn’t the place for inside humor, criticism of phrasing, or dissenting views?
I don’t know what the solution is, but it’s not an unjustified criticism.
I have whiplash from seeing some of the same people who protested government overreach and fascism with lockdown recommendations or mandates due to the Coronavirus, now demanding an invasion by the active duty military to control the cities because they’re scared.
They were quoting Franklin in support of protesting lockdowns: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Where is that Benjamin Franklin spirit now folks? It’s only been a month, did y’all forget?
bizmarkiefader said:Think about how much energy and resources America spends making sure that nobody gets even slightly more than they "deserve" even during something like a global pandemic with mass unemployment.The idea that folks are more worried about some working people getting one over on the system to have some extra cash to spend than they are about the large scale manipulation of the system by big interests, or even just by people with government relationships, is crazy. Stepping over suitcases full of money to pick up pennies.
There is not enough stimulus. Many industries will take years to recover in the best of scenarios, and some just won’t ever recover. The great thing about putting money into the pockets of people who live paycheck to paycheck is that the money flows right back out into the economy. Penny-pinching with this kind of nonsense, aid to state and local governments, etc., is going to look really foolish in the eyes of history.
The problem is in a city if you get a good number folks feeling their freedom excessively and getting back together in groups while virus is circulating you could end up with 100 new infections and an R0 back up in the 2 range. It’ll take 2 weeks for the numbers to show up in the system and for the government to react. 100 initial cases spreading for 14 days at R0 2.0 is well over 100,000 infections by the time you lock down again, and a second lock down is bound to be less effective than the initial one.
That’s enough to overwhelm a city healthcare system again.
There aren’t any good solutions here. When we get to widespread testing and the manpower to contact trace this is doable with less illness and death, but some of these states are letting their guard down weeks before the testing/tracing is up to the task.
Also, how are the folks demonstrating about their freedom going to react when they’re placed on compulsory quarantine because they got contact-traced by the government? What are we going to do if an asymptomatic super-spreader refuses to quarantine because they feel fine so the government’s test must be a fake?
Wow, I leave for a few hours...
@JamieT I hope you’re okay, or even if you’re positive that this is the worst of your symptoms.
I’ve read about all kinds of non-standard symptom sets being positive for the virus with the only consistent thing being a fever.
Young people are going to die and old people are going to live, the bell curve peaks with old people that also have preexisting conditions, but there are tails to the curve that will include a healthy teenager dying from it and a 90 year old with emphysema living through it. Nobody is safe, and yet nobody has a death sentence either.
if you are more than 15yrs from retirement, don’t sell out of your stock positions (assuming they’re indexes or mutual funds) locking in the losses. If you have discovered that you can’t take recessionary downturns in the market, then change your future allocations. Don’t lock in losses unless you’re relatively close to retirement and need to have cash or conservative stuff to fund withdrawals in the relatively near future. Pull up a graph of the DOW or S&P 500 from 2009 to 2014 to see what you could miss out on in the market if you sell-out because of fear now rather than ride it out.
The mental health struggle is real. I am hearing from all kinds of people working from home by necessity that it’s really a cause of stress and anxiety, not even mentioning the news and potential media obsession. I’d recommend Governor Cuomo’s press briefings over the White House’s if you want to see sane leadership in a crisis.
We will get through this, but it’s going to be an off-and-on battle for the next 18mos or so. We’re going to have a recession, but we will recover. Look for the helpers, they’re all over the place from first responders and medical professionals, to grocery store checkers and truck drivers keeping the food supply working. There is a lot in this crisis that shows the best of humanity when you choose to see it.