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@Tarzana890 said-"People do drastic things when they're pushed too far."I totally agree with this. I also think in more minor ways it just doesn't work for long. A stupid example, is you end up with people stealing and not working as hard, among other things. I bought this sort of weirdness a lot more when it was a smaller group of people like with the guys who Daryl travelled with for awhile, the Takers? Anyway, in small groups I buy it, but in a group this big, I'm not so sure.It just seems to me like Negan would constantly be having problems.
I also have some questions about how long Negan has been rolling this way. Like I said in a previous post, I think the Governor was so early on that people were much more interested in protection at any cost.Now, I'm not so sure. Most of these people have got to have realized that the walkers are pretty easy to deal with. How long would it take people to realize the only thing they really needed protection from was Negan?Its pretty easy to look at the course of human history and conclude that we are a bunch of savages who would be easily kept in this kind of situation, but I think if you look back at history as a whole, not just the big dramatic examples, the huge bulk of human history is actually people doing pretty well with each other and cooperating for the most part.Now maybe, maybe there is an argument to be made that the beginning of the apocalypse would just sort of "naturally" take out all the "nice" guys and what would be left would be largely the kind of people who would be more open to hanging with someone like Negan, but I'm not sure I buy that either. A lot of people who survived would survive by dumb luck and/or being smart.In all fairness too, this is probably a bit under my skin cause its been an ongoing problem I have had with this show. I've just never totally bought that so many people would respond to the zompocalypse by turning into sociopathic monsters.They'll probably give us something more that will explain it a bit better. I really hope they do cause I like a lot of what's going on, but I would like to be more believing of the Saviors set up than I am now
Hmmmm....I'm late. Didn't get to watch on Sunday.Not sure what to even say. It was "good". ArghI do think it was a bit much with the violence and I've watched every episode of this show at least twice. There is something qualitatively different about a gross zombie or a quick cut of Herschel's head and watching two characters you like literally have their skulls smashed to bits.And what's interesting is I still don't think they understand horror or tension in a way. Cause let's be honest. The most horrifying thing in all of that was Carl's arm and not a drop of blood was spilled.Just saying....
@A_Ron_HubbardI don't have inside info- but I have the feeling there were hours and hours and hours of film that got cut. My little brother was actually Danny's extra up in Glacier Natl Park where they filmed the drive to the Overlook. And he was up there for weeks. And almost none of that made it in the film. I think I've heard or read over the years that he would often end up with huge amounts of film to edit, way more than most directors, but I can't remember where. I do though think by this point in time Kubrick was pretty aware of himself as a genius, I suspect he may have thought on some level he was improving on King's work.
I am not sure how I feel about a lot of this. Still haven't quite digested it, but I do know that I don't expect TWD not to mess with me. I learned that lesson with he who shall not be named under the you know what. So I don't anticipate much respect from TWD, especially Kirkman.Everything I have seen about him (not a lot I admit) has led me to believe he is in the unenviable position of someone with a great deal of fast success who mistakenly thinks it must be due solely to his or her own talent. And therefore doesn't question himself (or allow others?) in a way that would produce a better show.As I see it-Kirkman won the lottery (literally and figuratively) when Darabont developed TWD.The best of this show is largely what still lives of Darabont's creation. Kirkman, etc. seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what is and can be great about this show.Do they hit it sometimes? Yeah, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile.Bummer
@Jcoates agreed. They definitely miss some of the subtler parts of this whole conversation that could make it so incredibly interesting. And it does start to grate on one's nerves. Especially because in this world these good issues are just sitting there begging to be picked up.The more I think about this episode the more annoyed I am. I've been excusing a lot of behavior on the part of characters for years now because of the constant stress and horror they've been dealing with. Sort of like they've been on the western front for two plus years. But now they've had some relatively safe down time (3mos?) I still sort of expect them to be all screwed up, but they've had a moment to at least start thinking straight.And most of all it aggravates me with Rick. This is a guy who was utterly heart broken at the beginning. If you go back to Seasons 1, 2 and even 3 he looks like he's on the verge of tears in almost every scene. Remember how sad he was when he had to kill the bike lady walker? So don't tell me he doesn't get what Morgan is talking about, he may not agree, but he understands it. For them to write him this way with the constant "whuuuuut?" like he doesn't find any of it to be horrifying anymore is not believable at least to me.Argh... I'm becoming like the show...same shit over and over again, oops